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Trump and Biden Went to Texas (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)

March 1, 2024
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We finally got the Trump-Biden split-screen.

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This transcript was generated automatically and may contain errors and omissions. Ironically, the transcription service has particular problems with the word “bulwark,” so you may see it mangled as “Bullard,” “Boulart,” or even “bull word.” Enjoy!
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:00

    Hey, there. It’s JBL on the Secret Show with Sarah Longwell today. We talked about Biden and Trump both going down to the border. We talked about Mitch McConnell and Supreme Court decision. And then we did this weird digression and talked about Cohen Brothers movies, and then we went back and talked a little bit about George Conway.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:21

    It’s it’s kind of a journey. Here’s the show.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:28

    I want to talk about
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:30

    really dark depression stuff. But I want you to talk about hot wings. Yeah. So let’s talk let’s do an upbeat show about Joe Biden going down to Tejas to talk about the border And he he did not wear camo stuff to pretend that he was a cosplay border patrol agent the way Many Republican senators do now. Joe Pertacom, thank you for doing that yesterday in Press Pass.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:57

    That was outstanding. You did you see that?
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:59

    Yeah. Joe part account is our, like, secret weapon. It’s just a gem.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:04

    He’s he’s amazing. And, and Trump was there too, and Trump did this speech where he had the head of I believe it was the Texas National Guard. I could be don’t quote me on this. Standing behind him while he gave this angry, very political speech, which I have to say is incredibly improper. It is it is not quite at the level of Mark Millie walking with Trump across Lafayette Park, but it’s bad.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:30

    And saying, you know, stuff, which some people are saying, is racist, talking about people who you can’t even let in people here, don’t even speak languages, racist, but also incoherent. Right? Only it’s only racist if you ascribe some coherence to it because it is it sounds like the rantings of a deranged mental patient. And Joe Biden on the other hand, said, hey, Donald Trump, work with me to secure the border. Let Republicans pass this or, hell, I’ll join you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:03

    You know, I’ll join me or I’ll join you. You know, we gotta we gotta get policy done for America.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:08

    Yeah. And one
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:09

    of these guys is leading in the polls.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:12

    Yeah. But but one of the reasons that guy’s leading in polls is because people aren’t seeing enough of him and, also because they’re not seeing enough of our current president, and I’ll tell you, This is why I wanted to talk about this because this is the good stuff. This is the split screen we need. We need more of this. Joe Biden showed up.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:31

    He wore a hat. He didn’t wear camo, but he did wear a hat. He looked like a normal guy. Ready to talk to the border people. And, give a very normal, speech.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:42

    And like you said, he called on Donald Trump to join him. I loved the like or I’ll join you. I don’t care how this gets done. That that’s the good stuff, man. He’s starting to post some Ws and, Donald Trump On the other side of it, yes, sounding like, did you just say an escaped mental patient?
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:01

    Because I think that’s correct.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:03

    Right? Like, it’s only racist if you if you go in and edit it for clarity. Because if you don’t edit it for clarity, then there’s no racism to it. It’s just incoherent.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:13

    Right. And so there is, like, Joe Biden singularly. Like, you just look at it. He does look old. But if you do the split screen and it this is gonna be a Comcast selection, he looks normal.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:29

    So much more normal.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:30

    Like an old normal guy who you’re like, okay, but not this other lunatic. What is he even talking about? And I I they have the the the offense on the and here’s the thing. Joe Biden, the Joe Biden should be the beginning of a train. Every Democrats, Republicans have been going to the border, like, coyotes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:50

    Like, people ready to lead other who they, like, crawl through the bushes and they, like, yeah, wear camo and take pictures with everybody. You don’t have to be like that, but go down there. Everybody, everybody who wants to be president someday on the democratic side, you wanna run-in twenty twenty eight, go down to the border and demand that Republicans passed the bill that Joe Biden has put on the table, demand that Mike Johnson bring the bill to the floor that funds Ukraine funds Israel and funds the border. Okay? This is this is where you win offense moments.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:25

    And so you don’t and this is this is the message I wanna Democrats, if you’re listening. Relentless. K? One thing from Joe Biden is good. It is not enough.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:37

    Is not enough. But I think that just this is, so one of the moves that the Trump team did, I’m gonna go back a little bit against Ron DeSantis, that I was like, Man. He’s got a real team on this is when DeSantis came to DC to try to wrestle up some congressional support and endorsement. Donald Trump’s team used that day while he was in DC to announce a slate of local endorsements from the from the Florida legislature for Donald Trump and not Ron DeSantis. And it was such a kneecap moment.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:12

    It just it just was an embarrassment for DeSantis while he was trying to make his case here in DC. And, and that was a, that was like a good tactical move. The Biden team knew when Trump was gonna be at the border, and they said we’re gonna go the same day. And that was a good tactical move. Don’t go the day after.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:29

    Don’t go a different day. No. Same day.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:32

    They’ll be they’ll be in every city. Trump is in the day that Trump is in it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:36

    Go. Go fight.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:38

    This is And this is good. Time Trump holds an event somewhere, by not a b across town. Because, again, the split screen of them is one guy is a little bit slow, but is a normal human being saying things which are you know, sentences, which you could diagram, and talking about policies that are broadly popular, the other is the escaped mental patient.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:00

    Yeah. And let Trump here’s the thing. You’re scared to do it because Joe Biden can’t fill an arena the way Donald Trump can fill an arena. But don’t try to compete with that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:09

    Don’t do that. Hey, don’t
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:10

    give a speech.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:10

    In front of voters. Go on. Like, walking down shelves with a
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:14

    picture. Shop floor, arms around people. Call somebody a lying faced dog pony soldier or whatever, dog faced lying pony soldier and and do it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:23

    Find a podium. Put him put him literally on the with people. Because you know what Joe Biden likes? Joe Biden likes people. Yep.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:31

    He’s very unlike Trump. Like, trump likes mass adulation. Biden just like, you know, that that’s where he’s he’s like a real politician in that way. Right? That’s the mark of of every real politician is that they gen they’re not faking it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:44

    They genuinely like people, and they wanna help people, and they get energy from being around people.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:50

    And you know what? The Republicans try to paint Joe Biden’s kind of touch touchy feely way as creepy. It doesn’t work. I Will Saletan, like, oh,
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:58

    the things the
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:59

    things that don’t stick to Biden is stuff like that. People think Biden is a genuinely nice person who likes other people, and you should showcase that. And you should also showcase him interacting with people because the the behind a podium where people are like, well, that looks presidential. That’s true, but like, Also, that is where he tends to look a little bit weaker because he just doesn’t fill the space the way you want him to. He’s tall guy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:27

    When he stands with people and he puts his arm around them, people can put themselves, voters can put themselves in those people’s shoes and think, Yeah. He seems alright. Yeah. Look. He’s there hanging out with that person.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:37

    Remember when he was in Florida after I forgot which disaster, you know, and you have, like,
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:41

    the pictures and just kinda just,
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:43

    like, skulking around. And Biden is standing there with people who who look like they just walked out of a Trump rally, and they’re laughing with him, and he’s hugging them, and you know, like, they’ve got their leather vests on and their full sleeve tats and but I just loves them. Right? He loves them some people. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:02

    No. It was good stuff. I do have one question for you.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:06

    Yep.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:08

    I don’t want to impugn the good character of the people. It does strike as and I’m just asking questions. I’m not making any declarative statements. I’m just I’m just putting something forward for you to too, Sarah Longwell. Is it possible that what some significant portion of the electorate wants Maybe this number is ten percent.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:36

    Maybe it’s forty five percent. Maybe it’s fifty percent. Is somebody doing the the Archie bunker from Queens, like, you know, they don’t even speak languages because that’s that’s kind of the way they do view the immigration thing. They don’t think at all about labor pools or social services, strains on safety nets, or anything like, really the way they think about it is in the Tucker Carlson. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:01

    They’re dirty. They don’t speak my language.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:03

    Yeah. And and here’s the thing. So I I do think some people think that. I also think lots of people don’t think that way. And I think that a lot of Republican voters, they say this thing that I think When you hear it, it sounds if you know a lot about immigration, you’re sort of like, okay, I can explain to you why this isn’t so easy, but like, they say, I want I like I think immigrants should come here.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:28

    My family and this a lot of people say this. Like, I’m I’m married to an immigrant, or my family came here at x y z time. But they want people to come the right way. Okay? The right way is is a is a thing you hear all the time from voters, and what they mean is like they don’t want an unsecured border.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:44

    And I gotta tell you bro, that’s not an unreasonable position. Now, they don’t realize I think that oftentimes to become an American it’s in the right way. It can take, you know, eighteen years or, like, just an, now that but that’s not a reason for people to come illegally over the border. And I think that for what Joe Biden, what he needs to do, and, and while I think this conversation really should be, like, in a good healthy political environment, you’d be talking about immigration reform and funding more border patrol agents, funding more judges down there so you could expedite, you know, who should go back, who should be allowed in, who should have longer court dates. Like, right now, it’s just there’s a backlog, and so it is chaos down there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:30

    And so I think that Joe Biden, though, this is one of those issues where Democrats have ignored it. Too long. And now they’re deeply vulnerable because people view it not as an immigration reform problem, but is it a border security crime and drug problem. If you listen to the way Republicans when they when they talk about this often. Fentanyl.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:48

    Fentanyl. Yes. That’s right. They talk about the drugs coming over the border. And the thing is is that in community, I don’t I never hear.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:59

    It’s not like I’ve ever heard one of my friends be like, Yeah. Fentanyl is a pro problem in my life for like, I actually, you know, I know somebody who died of a fentanyl. Nobody year you talk to voters in Ohio or in the middle of the country, they all know somebody who’s died from fentanyl. And it is it is really and now are you gonna do you wanna say where fentanyl comes from?
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:21

    I, I, I, I just want to say that Once upon a time, the answer to questions about the plague of illegal drugs was to simply just say no. And that that was the conservative position was that we are for personal responsibility. You you could just not take the fentanyl?
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:47

    Yeah. People aren’t taking mean, sometimes, yes, they some yes. They are taking fentanyl, but also things are laced with fentanyl. Here’s the deal.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:53

    No. I understand. I understand. I’m I’m I’m being I’m being a deck. And Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:57

    Go ahead.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:58

    I just I, I think that Joe Biden does have to, and this is where I think the Democrats have been in a tough spot, is that they’ve got sort of a left flank that wants them to absolutely, you know, not sound like Republicans on the border. But if you listen to swing voters and even soft dams, the number one reason if people give Joe Biden really low marks, the number one reason why is immigration. And so, they gotta work on this, like, just as a political matter.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:27

    Totally agree.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:28

    And that means saying, Hey, we cannot have people that we’re who we don’t know who’s in the country, be in the country. Like they and and they I think having talking about it as a, like, oftentimes I will be like, don’t play on Republicans turf. But this is sort of not one of those times. I think that he has to he doesn’t have to demonize people. And he can actually I think he can sound different from and being compassionate and explaining to people why we’re seeing a mass migration crisis, but also saying that as the president of the United States, he’s gonna make sure that the border is cure.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:06

    And, like, he’s just gotta show that he cares about that because American people really care about
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:11

    it. Yeah. I I guess my my larger point on this wasn’t that, like, everybody in America is racist, but that the when Trump says like, you know, they don’t even speak a language and stuff like that. I actually don’t think it hurts him. You and I look at that and think this guy is either a racist or no what’s the legal term?
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:34

    No Lolo compasmentus or no compasmentus or something like that? I didn’t I didn’t go to law school. But I could have. And, but I think I don’t think Trump pays any price politically for saying that because his people know what he means and they’re with him. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:51

    I think that’s right. People is a much larger number than most of us would like it to be.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:59

    So I no. I think I do think that’s right. And when you say like they know what he means, I think, that is so broadly true. And, and, you know, I just did a group focus group of people who voted, black voters, who voted for Hillary Clinton, voted for Joe Biden, and are now leaning toward voting for Trump. And it was a pretty interesting You’ve
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:23

    got all ten of them.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:24

    No. Buddy. No. Listen. The Democrats are freaking out about the slide with Black voters.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:31

    And, and it’s not like a catastrophic bottom falling out, but the chipping away is real. And I was pretty interested to hear how these voters talked about Trump. And I gotta say, you know, it was it was great because it was a great opportunity to talk right after and Trump had sort of come out and been like, Bulwark voters love me because I have a mugshot.
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:55

    Because I got indicted too.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:56

    Because I got indicted too. And you think Man, that’s so profoundly racist. How could that, how could black voters, find that not just repulsively racist? Well, I listen to these voters say, yay, he’s right. You know, like, he knows what it means to have trumped up charges against you.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:18

    And he’s the first president I’ve ever heard talk about this person the guy didn’t say deep state. He said, He was like the other layers that are there, to go after people or something like that. We’re gonna do an episode about this not this weekend, but next weekend. So I just I think that that it is that one of the disconnects between sort of the DC discourse and not understanding why Donald Trump does well with voters, and, like, Hispanics. And women, like, How can you do well with these people when and I I can’t tell you how much the way we hear things is not the way these voters hear them.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:59

    I’m sure. I I am curious. Did it did did you try to tease out the disconnect between Trump’s belief that all police are good? And that police need to be allowed to do whatever they want to anybody they want to do it to. But also all prosecutors in the FBI are corrupt.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:25

    And it’s the deep state trying to frame them and set him up. Because that that is the dichotomy that he takes on law and order is that the laws are illegitimate, but the order part, you know, I’m I’m winking. People can’t see that on a podcast.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:42

    It’s creepy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:43

    Right. Like, the order stuff, the public order stuff is where he’s he’s down. And that should be I mean, if you’re a rational human being who has existed in the world, you should know that this is exactly backwards it, you know, not all, prosecutors are good people, and often pros consciu prosecutorial misconduct happens, But on the whole, if you had to, like, who is more of a rule follower as a as a profession? Is it law enforcement officers or or the the legal side of of loan order, it’s the legal side. And Trump takes exactly the opposite, and I guess pays no price.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:22

    For that?
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:24

    I think not only does he not pay a price. I I wanna tell you, I I saw, Kristen Soltus Anderson, I believe is the person who who kind of taught mentioned this, and then it clicked for me that, like, this is exactly right. Like, this is exactly what I’m hearing. From voters, but I just liked her formulation, which was every we have been thinking about Trump as a chaos candidate for a long time, a chaos leader a chaos person. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:49

    Nikki Haley in her passive voice. Chaos follows him. He is running this time around as the stability candidate. And you think about that just for one second. What he’s saying is, no, there’s chaos at the border, and I’m gonna restore order at the border.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:06

    There’s crime, there’s fentanyl, and I’m gonna I’m gonna restore order. He is saying on the economy. The economy is out of control, inflation’s out of control. I will restore order.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:18

    It’s not it’s not out of
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:19

    the world. There are I just hang up there. I’m I’m telling you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:23

    I know. I know. I know. I’m just fucking inside. I’m blooming.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:26

    That’s all.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:26

    That’s understandable. The framing of of, you know, I hear and I hear this. I it’s I it’s like wild how often you’re people are like, well, there’s look at the, like, we’re in two wars. Or like the world is on, you know, they’re like the world is on fire. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:39

    There’s these, and I don’t want America in these wars. And America’s not in these wars. Right. Right. Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:44

    But I’m you know
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:46

    when the violent crime spike began, sir? It began in twenty twenty. Yeah. Violet crime is down.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:53

    Not in Washington, not in Washington, DC. I gotta tell you. It’s bad here. So Anyway, my point is, is that they are taking and this is, again, Susie Wiles and Chris Lassafita are not good humans. And they’ve sold their soul, but they’re good strategists.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:15

    And so they’re taking one of Trump’s biggest vulnerabilities, and they’re running right at it. And saying, you know, he’s not the chaos guy. He’s the guy who’s gonna restore stability to the world. He’s gonna he’s gonna restore, stability at the border. Provide stability on crime, on the economy, and, that’s how we’re doing great.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:31

    Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:38

    Okay. We gotta move on because I’m gonna have an existential crisis.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:42

    I was trying to be upbeat. I was trying to give you some of your because Biden’s doing good. They’re they’re they’re starting to pick up the pace and I like to see it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:49

    Alright. I wanna talk through something with you, that I’m working on for TriNet today.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:55

    K. Tippy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:57

    I am thinking about what follows from Mitch McConnell. What comes after? And I have two two predictions for you. I’d like to hear your your again, I’m not I’m not wedded to this. I’m just thinking it thinking it through, thinking it out loud with you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:14

    I believe that the next Republican leader in the Senate will have to be explicitly anti Ukraine. Yes or no. Hey, Sarah. There’s there’s more show.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:27

    Oh, there is? Yeah. Are we still talking? We have
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:29

    people talking. The talking goes on but that’s only for the, you know, the the people who are inside the velvet rope, the the board plus members
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:38

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    0:20:39

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    0:20:41

    Tell the people there. You should subscribe, guys. Why wouldn’t you subscribe? You get all kinds of things. You get some some extra, Me and JBL.
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    0:20:48

    You get some extra me and George Conway. Was there other extra things? You get Oh, you get JBL’s triad. Which, if you’re not reading that, is one of the best things the Bulwark offers. I read it at least once or twice a week.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:04

    Yes. Go and subscribe. We’d love to have you.
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