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Together. Again. (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)

February 23, 2024
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  • Speaker 1
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    Hey there. It’s JBL. On the Secret Show with Sarah Longwell this week, we were together in person live. It was amazing. We were so excited.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:09

    We talked about, like, everything, every literally everything in the whole world. It’s it’s amazing. Here’s the show.
  • Speaker 2
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    That’s not a real thing. Just tell me that’s not a real thing. I can’t handle that level of darkness.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:26

    It’s not a real thing that people do, but it’s a real thing that qanon people say that that Hillary Clinton does. Yeah. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
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    Quite certain she doesn’t do that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:36

    Have you ever seen her not do it?
  • Speaker 2
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    I have seen her not do it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:41

    Oh, yeah. I guess that’s right. Okay. You were saying, QAnon. The worst thing that all this time.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:48

    Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that’s so this is oh, right. But so now so they used to have like this the blanket accusations of the pedophilia stuff, but now it’s just, it’s just an assertion of chaos and assertion of everything is terrible, ruining America, And I just need people to show their work on that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:06

    And I do think the borders where they’ll go, but, like, this is why Republicans really need to do something border because the Democrats and Joe Biden, like, they put up a solution.
  • Speaker 1
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    It’s, something headline. Oh, this
  • Speaker 2
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    is the third one.
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    Tuberville acknowledges quote hard situation for women after Alabama IVF ruling. Albana Senator Tommy Tuberville acknowledged the challenging situation some women face in his state after the state Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are children and subject to legislation dealing with the wrongful death of a minor. I’m gonna just read this as a straight voice. I’m not gonna do Any accents? That’s that is a hard one.
  • Speaker 1
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    It really is to provoke old reporters
  • Speaker 2
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    It’s almost British in this new voice of yours.
  • Speaker 1
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    Because again, you really want people to have that opportunity. He continued we need more kids.
  • Speaker 2
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    Oh, that’s that’s good good Duberville. That’s that’s the best Tuberville I’ve ever heard. Not your accent, but
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:08

    his When asked again what he would say to women who would not have access to IVF, Tuberville said that’s unfortunate. So I, I am interested. We haven’t talked about this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:22

    We have.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:22

    So this is the beginning of Row. We we had a piece on this by Chris Draacks. I think it was Chris Traacks. I’m sorry if somebody else wrote this piece for us and it wasn’t Chris. Who said at the after dobbs, you have to understand this isn’t really about abortion.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:43

    It’s about birth control. That is the logic of where this goes. Right. So Rose overturned Alabama goes to a heartbeat bill. Embryos are now given full legal personhood.
  • Speaker 1
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    And the next step is birth control that prevents embryo implanted implantation. Now I’m Catholics. This all makes sense to me. I don’t think a majority of Americans or even maybe a majority of alabamans?
  • Speaker 2
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    Are you against, embryo implementation?
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:16

    I mean, what do you mean by against?
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:19

    I don’t know. I mean, what what is the law when you say you see the logic, what’s the logic?
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:24

    I mean, in the Catholic seamless garment of life logic. Right? Life is life. Yeah. That’s that’s the Catholic church’s view.
  • Speaker 1
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    Right? I don’t think that is a democratically small d democratically tenable position in twenty twenty four America. Do you? Well,
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:41

    it’s similar. I mean, to me, this is similar to the argument. What most people do not agree that the second the sperm hits the egg, that, or and I I don’t
  • Speaker 1
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    And those papers do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:55

    Yeah. Okay. Cong that’s good. Yeah. That’s a that’s a tight tight line.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:00

    Very, very difficult. I think. To assemble a majority coalition in support of that view?
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:06

    I think so. I think so. And I will say one of the things about that to that struck me is Tubberville was, yapping, is that when he kept saying this would be hard for women. So I would say abortion is something that very much disproportionately a woman has to bear. IVF is the woman still has to obviously physically bear the pregnancy, but it is something that is usually, families are doing together.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:34

    Like it is not just women. It is not just an option women are looking for it is what couples so I had both my kids were born via IVF. And I am grateful, that IVF exists. And the thing is, is I’ll say it’s it is an interesting conversation because there is, I remember when how much I, like, was desperate for, like, the low embryos to, like, catch. Like, you want the embryo to come together so that it can be implanted.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:08

    And you know, anybody who’s tried to get pregnant and is, like, dealt with the heartbreak of a miscarriage. And this is that the thing is is that when you want, kids, and you’re, you know, trying to start a family, and you’re going down the street, which, by the way, and also, like, yes, majority of lesbians, I know did this, but also I have tons of straight friends who’ve also used IVF to have their kids.
  • Speaker 1
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    You know why?
  • Speaker 2
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    Because we’re all older now having kids.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:37

    No. Because the American Economic System has pushed everybody to go to college and graduate school and pushed your earning back and push child bearing years and marital formation back. And so everybody if not for reproductive technology advancement over the last twenty years, I did write a book about this. Our fertility rate would be even lower than it is right now, which is quite low. And so
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:58

    So isn’t the pro life position that, like, this is helping people who want to have children, have children. I mean, and honestly, there is a world in which if you said, if you said, Hey, look, because there’s this thing that happens with IVF, right, where you’re, you’re, you’re working to create, like, you
  • Speaker 1
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    viable embryos.
  • Speaker 2
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    Viable embryos. Right? And so sometimes if you have several, like lots of viable embryos, they might destroy them when they’re done. And it is true that, much like, miscarriages or lots of pregnancies that end after four or days where you don’t even know you’ve had a miscarriage, whatever, that, that people like destroy the embryos because they’re not gonna use them, And I think that there is a world in which you could there’s like a civilized conversation about limiting the number of embryos that could created, in terms of how many, you know, kids are gonna have, or even thinking about, could somebody else use them who’s dying to have do it one at
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:58

    a time. Because I mean, the reason we do them in batches is purely economic. It’s purely cost. Right? And there are there are there are people.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:04

    I know I know very dedicated pro life people who believe all this stuff who’ve gone through IVF and done it one embryo at a time, but like triples the cost. So they have to be very, very well off. Yeah. So you ask, what is the pro life position?
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:18

    Yeah. And the
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:19

    answer is I don’t know. Because two years ago, the pro life position on COVID nineteen was that it was the duty of senior citizens to die and to not be afraid of death in order to keep the economy running to help Donald Trump get reelected. That is a real thing that real conservatives said and argued and wrote in print. So if you’re asking me, what does what is the pro life position? The answer is, I don’t fucking know anymore.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:46

    It’s not really just who wrote that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:48

    That was a Rusty Reno. Yeah. Rusty Reno. The editor first thing, the most The the the essential Catholic journal of ideas wrote that. It was the there was the I think it was the Texas governor at the time was who said that it was the the duty of people to go shopping and, you know, hold people are gonna have to, you know,
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:10

    No. They didn’t say die. I’m sure they said, like, we’ll have to take precautions for themselves.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:14

    No. No. They said they said not gonna find the receipts now because good show, short show. But, no, but this is a thing that happened. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:23

    And they said we should why why do we not We we can’t be asked to wear masks just because some old person might get COVID and die.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:32

    But that’s a that’s a question. So so your point is just that the there’s no consistency to the pro life position, because my my question is just, why isn’t the idea of more babies good? More people who are unable to have kids able to have them due to this
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:46

    beats the hell out of me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:47

    So, like, but the I will just say this because the idea of eliminating IVF, is about cutting off the ability of a lot of people to have children, including just people who have fertility issues, like, you’re not even just
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:02

    I mean, I this is a real question. I don’t know who the constituency is for cutting off IVF. Because I don’t even think most
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:12

    Well, some of Alabama.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:13

    Well, but a a a judge did. Right? So this is this is the Supreme Court. This is not It wasn’t passed legislatively.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:21

    Right.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:21

    Right? I don’t even think most of the traditional Catholics who would be against IVF would say that the answer to this is to legislatively prohibit IVF. Yeah. I don’t think that would be their position. Maybe I’m wrong.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:36

    I’m sure you can find somebody at church militant or something. Yep. Who would say that? But the answer is none of this makes any sense. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:44

    Why the pro life position is also that, we need to have a national abortion ban after six weeks but also we cannot increase and spend a penny more on social services for mothers, in difficult situations economically. Right? That is that is the pro life position. And I it doesn’t make any sense. Doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:08

    You should write a new book about why the
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:10

    peanuts No. That’s good. I should totally do that. That’s a great that’s a recipe. To make my life better.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:17

    Alright. Headline. Lara or Lara trump. I think it’s Lara.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:23

    I don’t know. I don’t know what
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:24

    it is. I’ll call her, Lara. Lara trump says she thinks GOP voters would like to see the RNC pay Donald Trump’s legal fees So the new co I don’t know what her formal title is. But basically, she is like in the old Soviet system. Every important military, unit had a political officer who sat sort of outside of the command structure of the unit, but basically was in charge of the unit.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:57

    Right. And so on a nuclear submarine, you’d have the the captain of the submarine and his executive officer, and then the political officer, and the political officer had one of the keys to launch the nukes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:07

    Well, what’s funny about this thing where she’s la la Trump is now, like the person in Charter that RNC is, like, the person there’s another person. Do you know that person’s name? I don’t. Like this, like Lara Trump, the minder. Like, is now the head of the RNC.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:23

    And But Hunter Biden’s bad. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:25

    No. Definitely.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:26

    Hundred Biden Burrisburg. No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:27

    That’s, and you know what? It is bad to have children who profit off their famous political parents’ names by peddling the
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:37

    A central wagon in the DNC?
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:39

    No. No. No. By peddling the emotion of access. No, that’s that’s why you got the briskman job.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:44

    So, like, it’s like, that’s grody. But, like, the fact that the Hunter Biden has become the Subcession of the after Donald Trump had just gotten done, installing all of his children in the White House, except for the one we never hear about. Tiffany or Tiffany. She never gets a good game. I mean Lara Trump gets to run the r and c.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:03

    And Tiffany, what does she get? But Eric and Don Junior, who I think now are barred from also doing business in New York City. I mean, actually the one who made out the best is, Jared. You’ve got two billion from Saudiy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:16

    Jared. Guys like Jared always make out best. Here, I wanna read you a quote from Lara. Having someone like me in there, I think will go a long way for people. I can assure you that my loyalty is to America.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:29

    Right? No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:30

    I know what the next. I know what the next line
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:32

    to my father-in-law. And I will make sure that every penny is used properly. That’s where we are. Right? The the loyalty that we want, and The national committee of our Republican Party is not to America, not to the Republican Party, not to voters, not to citizens.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:50

    Not to the great patriots. It’s Donald Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:54

    And Donald Trump now, between Eugene Carroll and the New York case, he owes, like a smooth half bill. And so, half billion dollars is a lot of to talk with George and I were in here earlier, taping the other podcast. And I was trying to figure out from him, like, how does this get paid? Like, you’re he and George’s making the point, like, This guy’s a real estate guy. They are leveraged.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:17

    They’re not liquid. And so it was not particularly liquid. Like, where does he come up with half a billion dollars right now? Or does he say I’m gonna go bankrupt, like, declare bankruptcy to get out of paying. But, like, that’s optically bad for him, because that’s a personal bankruptcy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:33

    He’d have to declare. It’s not like before, or as a business bankruptcy. And so he’s either gotta declare bankruptcy. He’s gotta come up with that money, or somebody’s gotta put a bond for it, which as George pointed out, like, who gives who gives Trump bond right now? Like, who who says, like, damn on the hook for this?
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:48

    I don’t know. Do you honor it? We don’t have a lot of time. But in your heart of hearts, Do you really think that he ever pays five hundred million dollars? Hey, again.
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:05

    It’s JBL. The conversation went on from there. Wanna hear the rest of the show, head on over to Bulwark plus and subscribe. I’d love to have you.
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