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This is the End, Our Primary Friends

March 6, 2024
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Super Tuesday has come to the close, and so has the entire 2024 primary season. Nikki Haley has dropped out, essentially sealing to deal on another Trump vs. Biden rematch. How are the hosts feeling now that the GOP is sprinting towards November with an aspiring dictator at the top of their ticket? Listen to find out!

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  • Speaker 1

    Hey guys. It’s JBL and Tim here. We taped the show last night, Tuesday night. It’s a it’s actually a fantastic show. Got some Dean Phillips talks, some just the tip talks, some Mark Robinson talk, but, we knew things were still coming in, and we got word this morning that Nikki Haley is getting out of here.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:20

    And so we wanted to just do a quick update. Tim, you are shocked. Right? That’s your shocked face.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:26

    I’m not shocked, but I’m pissed.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:28

    I’m kidding.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:28

    Can I be pissed? Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:30

    Sure. I
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:30

    feel like, you know, we just get in this thing. We we get in this motion where there’s the constant parade of horribles And we all know that the Republican Party was gonna do this. We’ve all been saying this for a year. You’ve been saying it for three years. And, like, even still, I sometimes I just like to take these moments to just wake up, look at the news, and be like, these fucking guys, Really?
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:53

    Really? They’re doing this. We’re nom they’re nominating Donald Trump by acclimation. Oh, I I it’s been state. What?
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:01

    It gets better. Tim, not only are they nominating Trump by acclimation, but all of the people in conservative world who hate Donald Trump but yet will never do anything to oppose him and instead Will Saletan anybody trying to stop trumpism. They this morning are saying that it’s our fault that Trump is the nominee. There were evidently there were some people on MSNBC who were not properly concerned about how important immigration was in the minds of Virginia voters, and that’s how you vet Trump. And, so so it’s all much worse than you think, even?
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:40

    I just hate these people so much. And I just I just, like, I know that one or two of them still list and I just I want you to know that I hope you feel a deep shame. Like, I just hope these people feel a deep shame this morning. Because it’s, it’s, it’s insane that they’re doing this again. Like there, there were opportunities to stop this person.
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:59

    Oh, Don Bacon is tweeting this point. Don Bacon Oh, the vote, my voters want this. My voters want this. It’s like, oh, okay, Don Bacon. What if your voters demanded that they’re a representative self fist every morning.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:14

    Was that something that you would do? Would you stick your own fist up your ass? Like, what if they, like, did not want, yeah, right? Like, what if your voters demanded that you join the KK and put on a hood. And, like, I burn across, like, is there any vomiting principle on this?
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:29

    Tempt him. I mean, look, the voters have said they want a person who makes fun of Nikki Haley’s husband and Nikki Haley’s response is Well, I hope he works to earn their support. Right? So that that’s the big takeaway from her announcement this morning is that she she hopes but Donald Trump will work hard to earn the support of all of her rhino voters. Do you guys
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:53

    What do
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:53

    you think about, Tim?
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:54

    He’s gotta unite the party. He’s gotta work to unite it. I’m so happy you brought this up JBL because I was on TV for like ninety hours last night, but I never got the chance to address this this part sentence in her statement. Like, have you met Donald Trump? I just, like, we’re a near ten of this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:09

    How long how how deep do we have to get in where you’re like, owe me. Maybe Donald Trump will turn over a new leaf tomorrow.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:15

    You know, maybe he’ll grow an office.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:17

    Yeah. Maybe he’ll turn over new leaf. Maybe he’ll start to
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:19

    make sure he changes people. Presidential denomination really changes people, Tim, you know?
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:25

    You know, maybe he’ll just decide to unite. You know, maybe he’ll decide that he cares about liberal democracy tomorrow and and norms and the rule of law. Who knows? Who he could do it? He could get the Nikki Haley voter that’s reading the Wall Street Journal editorial page on board.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:40

    You know, if he just reaffirms his commitment to the free movement of people and goods,
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:47

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:47

    Low low carried interest tax rates.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:50

    Can I can I ask you, what do you make of Nikki trying so hard to thread the needle here because right? This is she doesn’t wanna say she’s not for Trump. She doesn’t wanna say she’s for him. And so she makes it about her voters and not him and puts the onus on. You could see her and her people last night being like, Oh, we got them.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:12

    We got them this time. The the, like, Rosco, P. Coltron, and the dukes are happy.
  • Speaker 3
    0:04:16

    We’re gonna get that dude boy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:18

    And I I just think to myself for what? For what? And I guess it’s for the speaking fees. Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:25

    Isn’t that true of everything since Iowa? I I just I pray. I pray. I would I would not I would like to be so wrong people. I hope you understand.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:34

    I’d love to be wrong about Nikki. I’d love for, you know, the Nikki Haley music, whatever it is, Barracuda to come on and her come out on stage with Joe Biden in Atlanta in a couple months. I would love I’d love it. I’d love to be wrong.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:46

    It would be great for America if it happened and I would be a hundred percent wrong and I would be thrilled to be wrong as well, Tim.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:52

    I would put a I would tattoo wrong on my forehead. Whatever Nick, I do whatever Nick wanted for in exchange for doing this. I don’t think she’s going to. And I guess my big question is I don’t understand the point, really, of the last two months. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:05

    You know, like, I would have understood the point if it was a Kamikazi mission to, like, what Chris Christie’s campaign understood the point of that. I would understand the point if she was trying, I think, in a meaningful way, to kind of lead a, sort of a splinter arm of the Republican Party and,
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:26

    like, and and become
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:26

    a future leader that has a very clear ideological bent and very clear criticisms of Donald Trump and, you know, where she’s gonna not But but it’s like the whole thing has just been kind of limp. I mean, it’s been she’s made she’s had some good hits on him. A couple good hits. It’s been better than nothing. But there hasn’t been a coherent, the worldview or a coherent movement that she’s trying to build.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:54

    It’s kind of seemed it it frankly it seemed like somebody that just didn’t want to step off the stage yet and was having donors fund it and wanted to keep going for as long as she could while saying, like, kind of what she thought mostly, but not all the way. Again, I’d love to be wrong, but that’s just it’s felt to me a little bit soulless.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:14

    So my read on this is that Nikki is herself soulless. In the sense, I don’t and of course she look, she we’re all god’s children, Tim. So she has a soul. We’re all god’s children, Tim. And, she has inherent dignity.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:27

    Just just by dint of that. God lover. But I don’t think she believes anything. I I don’t think that she believes that Joe Biden is more dangerous than Domino Trump. I don’t think that she believes Donald Trump is all that dangerous.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:40

    I said this in the show last night.
  • Speaker 3
    0:06:42

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:42

    I think Nikki is, she’s such a pure political creature. That I think she just sort of moves around in like everything, everything in the world for her is positioning. And I, you know, when that’s when that’s how your entire approach to existence is, that’s how you get a campaign like this that’s kinda twilight. Right? Not not one thing, not the other.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:07

    That feels right to me. I would I wish, again, I wish it to I wish it isn’t. I hope it isn’t. But I think it is. So anyway, JBL, I I don’t you might wanna mention to people that, at the end, of the, of the daily pod that I did with Aaron Hanes this morning.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:24

    We’d we brought on a special guest. And I think that people will be interested to hear from it. Hey. Is
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:30

    it Python? Good guy? Good guy. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:34

    Real good guy. Real good guy. You know?
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:37

    I do you need him at the bottom?
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:40

    He might have been to the bottom. Anyway, I think people are gonna like it, and they might, you know, just make sure you make it to the end of the day. That’s just just a little tip.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:49

    Alright. So stick around all the way to the end of the daily show with Tim. Go listen to the rest of this show now. It’s a good one. Bye bye.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:03

    Hello, everyone. This is J VL. Coming at you with my best friends, Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bulwark. Pick behind the curtain, we’re taping this show on the evening of Super Tuesday. It’s nine thirty night currently.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:17

    We got a bunch of calls in, but also a bunch of calls that are they’re gonna be coming out after you get this podcast early in the morning, naming California and Vermont. Tim is up doing MSNBC all night long. There’ll be more bulwark content all Wednesday, Thursday, Friday is gonna be, I think, a lot of news coming out over the next seventy two hours. But we start in Oklahoma. Where it is tight as a tick.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:44

    Dean Phillips trails Mary Ann Will Saletan by fifteen votes. He is fifteen votes away from second place in Oklahoma. And guys, the reverberations of this race nationally just can’t be underestimated. Tim, what do you think about that?
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:03

    I thought that you were gonna talk about Dean Phillips’s performance in the tip of Oklahoma. And the Oklahoma tip.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:09

    Have you seen that?
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:11

    He’s doing extremely well in just the tip. That that one Semoran County Dean Phillips at the very tippy tip of the little pointer there of Oklahoma Dean Phillips eleven Joe Biden six. So it could be his first county victory. It looks like it will be ninety five percent of the votes in Cimarron County, Oklahoma Dean Phillips is on the board. I just I do have to say just really quick.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:41

    How sad this? I’m I’m glad you brought a little levity to the start of this. Like, this is my candy. I love Super Tuesday. I’d be the guy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:50

    I’m out here. I’ve got a nap in the church. I got tabs. I’m texting people. What’s happening in this county?
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:55

    And Donald Trump took this away from us. He’s taken so much from us over the last nine years that he’s taken this just little bit of joy away from us as well. That there’s nothing. We have nothing to ensure.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:07

    I don’t know. I get a little bit of joy out of this this tweet from Dean Phillips that says, Congratulations to Joe Biden, uncommitted, Mary Ann Williamson and Nikki Haley for demonstrating more appeal to the Democratic Party loyalists. Than me. Because I think Nikki Haley, I think this is true. I think there are more dems right now turning out for Nikki Haley than for Dean Phillips.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:32

    Hundreds of routes. Listen route.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:34

    So I
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:34

    wanna I wanna I know the Dean Phillips thing isn’t the most important thing, but we can dispense with it quickly, which is what I’m talking wrote about this today in the dryad which you should all be signed up for. If you’re watching this or listening this, you should be getting the dryad. Just go to Go to the board dot com and do it. It’s good for you. Dean tweeted some some weeks ago that, after March five, if he wasn’t competitive, that he would, of course, withdraw and endorse Joe Biden and work just as hard to defeat Donald Trump as he had to defeat Joe Biden.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:08

    What do you guys think of that? You think that’s think that’s coming?
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:12

    I kinda do, actually, like what he he’s gotta get out after this. Like, there’s gonna be I mean, this is this is the end, my friends. This is the end of Dean Phillips.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:23

    Just so people know, as of right now, he’s finna everywhere that he and Mary Ann Will Saletan are currently on the ballot. Together. She’s she’s beating him. I think it was one state in which he’s ahead of her currently, but only only one. Sorry.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:35

    Wait.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:35

    Can I just see that Dean Phillips actually does matter a little bit? And here’s why. I was talking to a reporter today, and I realized as I was talking through the the stages that people have gone through as they as they geared towards acceptance, of Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Like, I realized we’ve been going through the stages of grief, right? And we have done our bargaining, and our bargaining is with these third parties and with Dean Phillips.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:59

    Some of us have done our bargaining.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:06

    I don’t. I I’m just, you know, the the the Nikki, the Nikki people. And, like, we’re in we’re in depression now, and we’re on our way to acceptance. Right? Okay.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:18

    But, but in anger, we had anger. Right? Like, I’m just we really did all the phases a brief, but here’s what what Dean Phillips shows us. There’s the the people who are, as they’re bargaining, they’re like, well, if there was another Democratic candidate, maybe someone younger. Like, obviously everybody would want that person.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:38

    And Dean Phillips has been there offering essentially Joe Biden’s politics with a younger body. Biochemical structure. And you know what? It’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:52

    a mass.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:53

    Yeah. Mass arthritis. Longer telomeres.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:56

    No one’s no one’s even like a little bit interested. And No. I think it says something. Like, I it doesn’t Dean Phillips isn’t great, but he’s not, like, horrendous. So why isn’t anybody interested?
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:10

    I don’t know. He’s not
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:10

    a coupe. Right? He isn’t Mary Ann Louis.
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:13

    Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:14

    I mean, part of it is is the campaign that he ran and I, you know, I I I always said, when you guys back in twenty twenty, we’re talking about. And this shows you how sad the super Tuesday night is that here we are. We’re we’re eight five minutes and already reminiscing about the great twenty twenty primary between Joe Walsh and Donald Trump. But when but when Bill and you were recruiting people, the primary Trump, and and I was getting quasi involved in that at and a a lesser degree. I I had a several conversations with Bill when he would like to throw names at me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:41

    What about so and so? What about so and so? And I was always like, you have to, like, pass a certain threshold of seriousness before people will give you a listen. And, like, And you can only it’s, like, you know it when you see it, you know, so the Supreme Court porn thing. It’s, like, you can’t there’s not, like, a hard
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:57

    pass through. It’s, like,
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:58

    all Congress Larry Hogan would have passed it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:00

    Larry Hogan would have passed it. Joe Walsh not so
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:03

    much.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:03

    Yeah. Some and then and then Congress even some Congress people are like, I made the case that Kensinger had he done probably would have passed it barely. Right? Cause he was a con yeah. I know he’d been a been the military and he is public facing, but then other some other Congress people you’re like, I think Dean just the gelab like, it just fell on the gelato side of the line.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:20

    It’s just like, I just don’t think people could take him seriously. And so it was never really. A thing. You know, it would have been very different if, obviously. I think it would have been somewhat different, had somebody with a little bit more have to done it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:34

    I I
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:34

    think we would van
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:35

    gogh’s family. But you
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:35

    guys think that Dean, after this, Dino is just gonna, you know, he’s gonna say, well, I gave it the good old college effort. All respect to president Biden, and now I’m gonna go out and work from him, and I’m gonna call Jesse Waters and tell him I’m ready to come back on his show and talk about how great you have because I don’t think that’s what’s coming. I think Tulsi Gabbel is what’s coming.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:58

    No. I’m with I’m with St. Well, that’s a gentleman’s bet. We’ll figure that out. I think that Dean’s gonna do the right thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:04

    I think that there are some other people out there that I have deeper questions about, but I think that Dean will do the right thing. And, you know, besides Well, I meant the Republican people. Oh, oh,
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:15

    oh, we’re gonna get to that in segment three.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:17

    Exactly. We
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:17

    need to that in segment three. Don’t don’t don’t go getting ahead of it. Alright. So that’s all the intrigue on the Democratic side.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:23

    Oh, well, you mentioned that uncommitted does have two delegates now. So Joe Biden hundred and we’re not going to live here, but it’s eight hundred and something to two. So Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:32

    So it won’t be a a total shout out. That’s that’s excellent.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:35

    Good job, Rashida to leave sister.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:37

    In the Republican side, Nikki Haley might win Vermont. Yay?
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:43

    As we set right now, the, the needle. The needle gives her a lean Haley. Haley plus two point eight percent as the needle’s estimated march in the New York famous New York Times needle. I finally have done enough therapy that I can look at it without breaking out into sweats. And so that’s good.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:00

    I also noticed that Nikki Haley one Denver, So rep, my people. It is it is the city with the highest, like, the non college town, like the major, like, of the top twenty five cities. It’s the city with the highest concentration of college educated white people, which is the group that Donald Trump does the worst. So Anyway, but maybe there’s some something also in the weed or something, you know, in in the water there in Denver. So that was good.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:26

    Hold on a second. If we’re gonna if
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:27

    you’re just gonna throw
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:28

    things out. Yeah. But even Denver, I actually think Denver is only winning by ten points. This Denver should be like the Assad. Level numbers for her.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:38

    That’s fair.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:39

    And and this is I this is I gotta say. She’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:41

    losing Austin though, by comparison. She’s losing Austin. She’s
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:45

    So this is
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:45

    this is this is the thing I wanna say. That I think I I’m interested in what you guys think, but as I’m watching this, right? So, like, yeah, she’s only winning Denver by ten points. She’s losing suburban counties like, Rapahoe, Jefferson. Those are like Dem strongholds.
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:00

    I think she’s weirdly underperforming right now.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:03

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:03

    And like, so the Vermont The Vermont thing is cool from a disrupts Donald Trump’s narrative of a clean sweep. So that would be great. Okay. I I don’t know that I think that matters. To me, what matters is the margins in all of these states because I’m pretty obsessed with the exit polls, and we can go through some of them where you get Nikki Haley voters saying that they will not commit.
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:30

    To voting for the Republican nominee, like a really high margin across eggs that pulls in a bunch of these states have people who are voting for Nikki Haley, you know, eighty percent of them, seventy four percent of them saying, no, I won’t commit to supporting the Republican nominee. And what they’re saying there is I’m not gonna vote for Trump. And so that number to me is what is relevant here is what do Nik Kihaly’s people do after they, you know, dust off them, dust themselves off, you know, and stop, get over, you know, they’re they’re they they smart over their loss and then what what do they do next? And I’m seeing good evidence that the people who are actually voting for Haley won’t necessarily vote for Trump, but I’m worried that I’m not seeing as much life and energy in the in this super Tuesday for her as I would have liked.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:19

    Yeah. I agree with both those point. So I’m pulling up Virginia, for example. You know, and right now, she’s only winning the Albuquerque where Charlie Sykes Villas. Like Nova, Richmond.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:30

    Trump is winning. Again, some of the stuff numbers are coming in overnight. So, you know, maybe some of she pulls off the, like, just as a general trend, and even Virginia just as a base number, ninety percent in, she has thirty four. You know, you would have wanted Virginia to be closer to, like, in New Hampshire number.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:46

    Virginia is an open state.
  • Speaker 3
    0:18:47

    Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:47

    Yeah. Virginia is an open primary state. I this was Virginia Mark, this is like, you look at the states where Marco did well last time. Right? And that’s kind of
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:54

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  • Speaker 2
    0:20:19

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  • Speaker 1
    0:20:20

    I did a little bit of a deep dive on loudoun County because loudoun is interesting to me. It’s one of the wealthiest counties in America. And it is a hot developing suburban exurban part of of the DC area in Virginia, which I think is representative of a bunch of areas in America. And right now, Trump is beating Nikki in loudon fifty two forty six. Which sounds not bad for her.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:53

    Right? You think, oh, that’s not that’s not bad. In twenty sixteen, Trump got longed by Rubio. Rubio doubled him up and louden, and that was with, you know, a bunch of other people were still in the race at that point. And so to the extent that the Trump has consolidated those people in loudon, that makes me a little bit nervous and I look at Nikki.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:17

    I mean, Nikki only won Fairfax County by eighteen points. She’s fifty eight forty in Fairfax. And those are the places where I would I would just expect her to be doing much, much better. And the fact that she’s not makes me wonder, does that mean that Trump is stronger in these counties than we think going to the general election, or does it mean that there’s just more people who are gonna leave him?
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:44

    Yeah. You yeah. I was I was kind of getting there. Before the, you know, in segment one, and, I think it’s hard to determine because there hasn’t been a campaign in these places. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:56

    Right. And so
  • Speaker 3
    0:21:57

    it’s like
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:57

    so this is like not a really, like, this isn’t science. Okay. Like, we’re not we’re not doing science. We don’t have beakers out you know, it’s like, I think that Nikki is over performing some of these places because the people that are the most excited to vote are like MSNBC watching it. And independent leaning dens.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:13

    Right? And the soft Republican types that are gonna be the swing people. I do think they voted in South Sarah Longwell think of them voted Virginia, but some of them were just like, why why would I vote? You know, is there a primary today? And I had friends that texted me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:26

    Is today super Tuesday? You know? And so, like, I just I think that The the a big part of the swing electorate is did not turn out here. I think that the interesting question that’s quasi science, which Sarah Ron DeSantis. Is the, among the people that did turn out to vote for her today, they hate Donald Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:46

    I mean, that we only had expos in three states, but California was of the Haley voters, it was sixty nine percent that said that they wouldn’t, vote for Trump, which is nice. Eighty one percent was in I don’t have the in front of maybe eighty one percent was either Virginia or North Carolina. I think North Carolina. So, I mean, those are huge numbers. And and so the question then, which is gonna be up to the Biden data team and everybody is figuring out, okay, some of those are getable Republicans.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:11

    Some of those are Trump voters. Some of those are the trump voters against Some of them are buying a lot of them are buying in voters. Right? And so figuring out what percentage they are is really the answer. For us to, like, how good of news this that is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:26

    But So
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:26

    let me let me throw something at you. Let me just do a quick bit of math here. This is more of a Sarah Longwell, I think, but actually for for both of you. So let’s say Nikki Haley gets twenty she looks like she’s headed towards about twenty five percent of the vote. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:42

    If we’re looking at sixty percent or so of those people and exits saying that they won’t support for the the nominee. What that means is that’s roughly fifteen percent of the total Republican vote, saying they won’t they won’t support the nominee. Now, this is not Apple to Apple. Some of these primaries are closed, some of them are open, but in twenty twenty, Trump won self identified Republicans ninety four to six. So he was at ninety four percent on on retention of self identified Republicans.
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:20

    Seems to me he’s gonna be below that this time around. Now I I mean, maybe it’s all the way down to ninety, but maybe it’s a little bit low. I I don’t know. But does that does that smell right to you, Sarah Longwell
  • Speaker 3
    0:24:33

    here’s here’s the thing. This is so just rock with me here for a second. I think two things are true right now. I think that the party has very much consolidated around Trump to the point where Rubio’s numbers are sort of a meaningless comparison to Nikki Haley. Because at the time Marco Rubio was still a favorite son of a big chunk of the Republican Party, and that party has changed.
  • Speaker 3
    0:24:57

    Right? We are eight years later, and a bunch of stuff is different. So I think it is possible that Nikki Haley is both sort of underperforming what I might have expected, but I think it’s for the reason that Tim said. The reason she did better in places like and so this is if you just look at South Carolina and New Hampshire versus Michigan, what’s the big difference I mean, obviously, she was governor of South Carolina, but she did much better in those places. Michigan’s an open primary too.
  • Speaker 3
    0:25:27

    The difference was She spent like sixteen million dollars in South Sarah Longwell. You know, she spent god knows how much in New Hampshire because that was where she was staking at all. She spent almost no money in Michigan because it was a quick turnaround after South Sarah Longwell, and obviously she didn’t have the cash to go spend in all of these state. So she’s not able to mobilize the anti trump coalition, but when you do spend time working to mobilize the anti trump coalition. It does look like they turn out in these states.
  • Speaker 3
    0:25:55

    And so I think that there’s I think we don’t have to I don’t know that we have to worry so much about whether or not she’s underperforming. I do think the most important thing is the percentage that she ultimately picks up. And let me let me hit you guys with this. I’ve I’ve I think I said this last week, but I’ve been refining this particular rubric. The Republican Party has basically been this seventy thirty party for a while.
  • Speaker 3
    0:26:21

    And I’ve I’ve locked into the seventy thirty number when it was about the election being stolen. Because seventy percent of the Republican Party believes that the twenty twenty election was stolen, thirty percent doesn’t. And we’ve been sort of studying that thirty percent. I’ve been thinking about it. Now we have when you look at the anybody polls, the number of people who say they won’t vote for Donald Trump if he’s convicted of a crime.
  • Speaker 3
    0:26:43

    There’s been a couple polls. They’re all right around thirty percent. You look at the percentage that Nikki Haley got from self identified, ours in South Sarah Longwell, and then what she got in Michigan from the sort of unmobilized group. It’s all around. She got like twenty seven percent in Michigan.
  • Speaker 3
    0:26:58

    She got twenty eight percent in South Carolina. Of self ID’d ours in New Hampshire. She also got around twenty eight percent. So there’s this thirty percent ish number and it looks like nationally right now, she’s shaping up to get about twenty five percent. So that’s a little bit soft.
  • Speaker 3
    0:27:13

    But to your point JBL, if you then look at, okay, well, what percentage of with self identified ours, what percentage of those people absolutely refuse to vote for Donald Trump? If that’s higher than half of those people, That’s a bigger chunk than twenty twenty. So it’s possible that both she is weaker right now in this matchup because of the consolidation, but that he is also weaker in a general election. It took me a long time to get there, but that’s it. That they are both weaker in this moment.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:42

    Right. I mean, the the theory then, I mean, just to sum it up, is that, like, okay. It’s a pretty small rump at this point, that is against Trump. But, like, is it a bigger, is that small run bigger than six percent or eight percent. And this is all the the math on on when we look at exit polls from last time.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:03

    You know, that’s even getting it up to ten percent, eleven percent is very meaningful. Right? As far as far as
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:09

    So Sebastian says that after Pew did the the better math about the exits, it was night Trump held on to ninety two percent of Republicans Right. If that goes to ninety percent, in this election, that that is absolutely meaningful. Right? So what what happens to Nikki tomorrow? We we we, you know, we finish this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:31

    Maybe she eeks out her Vermont when Yay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:36

    Does she drop out? Well, she needs three more states to be able to put be put in nomination and have a convention fight. She says DC and and Vermont. Looking at the map, not seeing three
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:48

    more really out there. Maybe America has America.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:48

    America voted. Jinx.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:54

    How about that?
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:55

    Yeah. So I don’t I don’t know. That is there. I’d like to be able to vote for in Louisiana. I don’t want my reregistration to go to waste, okay, in a couple of weeks.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:05

    Now that’s gonna be like an eighty eight to twelve type situation, but it just would It would just give me the endorphin boost I need to to go in there and look at his fucking name and the on the ballot and to fill in the other bubble. That make me feel nice. But, yeah, I don’t know. I mean, what was her point of running till today? Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:25

    Like, the campaign’s been over. So this continues to be a psychological question about Nikki Ailey more than a political question. Right? And and last year of the view, which I’m not, that this is some like, oh, she wants to gain power for a cut a deal with Trump, or she wants to gain future, powers in the party. I to me, it’s like, every day that she stayed in hurt her within the Republican party.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:51

    So to me, it’s not like there’s any calculation that’s happening politically there. So it’s just a question of, you know, whether she feels fulfilled by this. I think we get into kind of Brene Brown territory about what she does after this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:04

    Sarah, what do you think? Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:05

    I mean, part of the reason I think she she does get out, probably tomorrow or the next couple days. Is that it gets really hard. Right? She’s been sort of going on TV. And you know, everyone’s like, but what’s the case?
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:18

    You haven’t won any states? And she’s like, well, we need to give people a voice. Or Tuesday. There’s all these states that are gonna vote. It gets sort of harder after this where she she basically doesn’t even have enough delegates to go to Ron DeSantis, to like go into interviews and make a case for why she’s still doing this.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:36

    Like it it basically no longer makes sense. And also, the money’s she’s been kind of going along on the fumes of small dollar donations from the the permanently barred, you know, sort of group that’s really into her. Does that keep going? I mean, look, what I love to see her through the convention and just make the case in every state against Donald Trump, I would. It’s also very helpful for those of us who are trying to identify these persuadable voters going into the general election.
  • Speaker 3
    0:31:07

    She’s basically creating a map for us. Right? She’s like, here are the people. We can go into these counties, see where she did well. It’d be great if she stayed in.
  • Speaker 3
    0:31:15

    I just can’t see how she I mean, Tim, you’ve run campaigns. Like, the media, the only question would get asked is like, what are you still doing? And that becomes a pretty lousy question when you don’t have a good answer.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:27

    Yeah. Though She has not a good answer for a while. John Casey stayed in for a long time. I I I almost feel it’s one of those things where that’s a really painful process. When you still hope that you’re gonna win, right, because it takes a psychological toll when, like, you feel like you’re trying to put a strategy in place to win and every time you TV and you wanna make an argument against your opponent, they’re like, when are you gonna drop out, sir?
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:50

    Like, that, like, is painful. I’ve lived that. But I I feel like she’s she’s through that. I feel I feel like she’s like broken through that and is now past caring about that.
  • Speaker 3
    0:31:59

    Well, see, that that’s interesting.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:01

    Hey, I’m just looking for something to do and have fun and, like, get out there and have people to be if somebody’s talking to me, that’s a win. What am I gonna be doing tomorrow?
  • Speaker 1
    0:32:09

    Because I love the constitution, and I’m here to protect it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:32:12

    Well, that’s that’s it, Jamie. Right? So, like, if if she if she said, if she felt driven by like, no, I’m gonna keep making this case about Donald Trump’s unfitness. Because this is important for the country. God, what?
  • Speaker 3
    0:32:26

    I love her for that. And I think she should stay in, and I think she should do that That’s not quite what she’s been doing, though. Like, she’s her rhetoric is tough on Trump. Right? She’s she’s tougher and she’s making a case But it’s not like she’s it’s not like she’s driven by, like, the desperate need to make sure trump’s out to them because she still doing the whole but Biden’s worst shtick.
  • Speaker 3
    0:32:48

    Yeah. And as long as she does that, then maybe she just likes the crowds and likes being on TV and like, boy, if he shuts this down, I gotta go home and mow the lawn and that sounds boring. I
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:00

    mean, I don’t even know that I believe honestly, honestly. I don’t know that I believe that Nikki believes. The Trump is all that dangerous.
  • Speaker 3
    0:33:12

    Really? I don’t know. I think she does. Well, then you yours your assessment is kinder to her than maybe mine is because I think when you do know how dangerous he is, and you still equivocate that it’s very bad.
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:24

    No. She thinks it’s bad. Right? Y’all, it’s bad. It’s ridiculous, but, you know, if you pressed her like really pressed our giver Truth serum said, Hey, do you think there’s a chance that, Trump could overturn democracy and then he wouldn’t leave office at the end of, you know, twenty twenty four or something things she would say, she would take the Ross out of you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:43

    Oh, no, don’t be crazy. That’s that’s trump derangement syndrome. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:48

    She’d take the AEI view. I mean, she’s the AEI candidate. Let’s just be honest. She’s the AI candidate. And if you went to an AEI fundraiser, and pulled a hundred people there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:56

    They all voted for Nikki Haley. How many of them are, like, really worried that Donald Trump is gonna end democracy? Like, two. The rest of them are like, oh, well, it’s fine. I got my house on Sullivan Island and, you know, things are the the stock market did well when he was in last time and I think that might be right.
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:14

    Okay. So there’s some other interesting stuff going on in North Carolina, the Republican primary for the gubernatorial real race. Super interesting. Gentleman named Mark Robinson, a furniture magnate is going to be the Republican nominee for Governor, and he, you know, he’s a he’s a manga guy. He’s part of the new look Republican Party.
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:38

    He really doesn’t like gays or Jews though.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:41

    Can I can I just,
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:43

    very, very bad on the gays, very bad on the Jews?
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:47

    Jennifer Bendry a gay. I don’t I don’t know her religion, so I don’t know if she’s if she fits as the Jewish category as well. She’s at the Hoving Post. She’s done a
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:55

    nice job. He really doesn’t like the gay Jews the most of all.
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:58

    This person is a friend of mine. Jen is a friend of mine. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:01

    Okay. So she’s done great work on this on a creditor. I I went. I I searched for multiple sites to find the best compilation of of Mark Robinson’s crazy, and I think she did the best job. Subtitle, mark rounds and says Beyonce is satanic that the moon landing may have been fake and there’s a ruling class of secret reptiles.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:23

    Here we go. He said that the nine eleven attacks were an inside job. He’s seriously skeptical of Kennedy assassination and of the twenty seventeen shooting in Las Vegas. He accused David Hogg, survivor of the, Stoneman Douglas, school shooting of being a paid actor. Obviously, things climate changes junk science.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:44

    You thought that the coverage of police shootings is part of a media bureaucy has done the q and a on rallying why, where we go, one, we go all. We got a lot of other good ones here. The entire bombing story is faker than a twenty dollar ro Rolex sold on a New York City sidewalk. He’s Why a Jew? Alright.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:06

    No.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:06

    You didn’t
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:07

    say that. She said that about, the pipe bombs that report about pipe bombs that were intended for president Obama a lot of good ones here. I try to Jay Z is demonic, Beyonce satanic. And the, twenty fourteen Boko haram kidnapping schoolgirls in Nigeria was orchestrated by billionaire George Soros. Oh.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:27

    So there you go. That’s the democratic that’s a Republican money. And North Carolina has a democratic governor. It’s not like North Carolina. It’s not like Mississippi.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:35

    Is that gonna be a drag on a Dragon Republican ticket in North Kakalaki?
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:43

    I think so.
  • Speaker 3
    0:36:44

    Yeah. I think it is. JBL. Come Jonathan Last?
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:49

    Wait.
  • Speaker 3
    0:36:49

    Can I just say one of the things
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:50

    you called?
  • Speaker 3
    0:36:51

    What do you He he called the school shooting survivors media prostatots. Prostitute.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:56

    Are you saying they aren’t prostatots?
  • Speaker 3
    0:36:59

    It’s clover.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:59

    So it’s like a tater tot prostitute?
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:02

    No. It’s like it’s like kids. Like, they’re tots. As their kids.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:06

    It’s a toddler’s prostitutes, come.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:09

    Their kids prostituting themselves for, I guess, attention because they suffered through a police or a school shooting. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:16

    That is fucking terrible. You suck your douche bag and fuck. We hate you. You’re awful, Mark.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:20

    This this, yeah, this guy’s the worst. This guy’s the worst. And JBL, I actually yes. I think the the North Carolina Democratic governor can beat this guy. Like, I do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:31

    The democratic is a good candidate. It’s a very
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:33

    He is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:33

    Not stereotype here. This is I’m about to do the thing when, like, you make a basketball comp and there’s a white basketball player. And you’re like, he’s kinda like Larry Bird, comparing him to the other white basketball player, but, Josh Stein, the Jewish attorney general in North Carolina is kind of similar to Josh Shapiro, just in his brand of politics, he’s gonna go to center left.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:52

    No. He’s just normie. He’s gonna
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:53

    be actually worried
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:54

    about normie Jewish center left, guys. And, I mean,
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:00

    Will Mark will Mark shake his hand at debates?
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:02

    Or is that, no? Don’t know. I don’t know. Will he wanna It’s
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:08

    a whole cost an hour too, I think. This is
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:10

    a whole cost an hour as well. That’s true. Something about he did a post. It was essentially something like You’re telling me that that Hitler disarmed millions of Jews and then killed them. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:23

    Whatever you say. Did a person. It’s kinda like that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:25

    I’m I’m asking just a a a very serious question to you guys. Tell me the percentage. So if you have the Venn diagram, a people who believe that, the school shooting kids are all crisis actors, and that nine eleven is an inside job and that the moon landing was faked and that the Kennedy assassination has something fishy going on. What percentage of the people inside that circle are not also Holocaust deniers. Because I feel like if you’re if you’re signed up for all those things, you got the group discount.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:00

    You know, you you took that ticket for the ride too.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:03

    Yeah. Here’s the thing. You keep calling it North Kakalaki, and the thing about North Carolina is it is on every, like, strategist, it’s on most of their swing state lists. I will tell you it’s not on mine because I think it’s a Trump state. I think it’s still too red.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:17

    But it has been its suburban populations have been growing a ton over the last decade. It still has a lot of, obviously, very red rural areas, but it’s also got a lot of big, metro areas. It’s got a, tech center. It’s got big universities, big hospitals, And the Democrat has been elected governor. Like, it does it can it can it does the split ticket, normie, Dem, with, and still elects Trump.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:48

    And so there’s a lot of people on Twitter sort of suggesting that maybe this puts North Carolina in play for Biden because they’ll have a normie dem governor on the top of the ticket and a total cycle. So that’s that’s what
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:59

    I wanted to ask you. I think put it in play for Biden?
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:03

    I don’t think so. So I think this is where split tickets just happen because I think Trump is perfectly acceptable to a lot of these voters in a way that this crank might not be.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:14

    I’m not gonna say is North Carolina is not in play. I’m just it’s March fifth. It might be in play. It might I’m not it’s not at the top of my list. It’s not gonna be the tipping states.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:23

    I don’t think it really matters, but I’m not gonna say it’s not in play. Obama one. The crossover voter thing is interesting, and I think this speaks to a perverse like, the really perverse thing that Donald Trump has done to our politics about, like, national politics versus state politics is I really do think they’re gonna be like suburban Charlie Sykes, like, banker guys that, like, look at this and they’re like, I don’t know that I want this, like, Bulwark pastor guy who do, like, doesn’t like Jews or gay people running the state because that’s a real job and that affects me. And it might, like, you know, he might do he might scare businesses away and I might hurt our business formation here in the state, but as president, I think we could we could use a businessman like Donald Trump. Like, I I think that that I think that that’s what voter exists.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:12

    It seems crazy that somebody might look at the governor’s seat and say that’s a serious job that requires a serious person and the president commander, the leader of the free world is a different animal, but I worry that that happens. Yeah. I think that I think Trump has has brainwashed people and
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:28

    they will campaign together. They’ll be on a stage together in in North Carolina. But you may have heard Tim Seth mention something
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:36

    that he didn’t mention before that you may not have realized JBL, which is that, this this gentleman is Bulwark, and that that may also that that there’s not always, that Venn diagram that you talk about. Like, there are things that Trump will get away with that that he won’t. He’s a bad candidate all around. He’s a lunatic, but I’m just yeah. So just FYI.
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:59

    From Sebastian, this is this is the Mark Robinson quote. Hitler disarming millions of Jews and then marching him off to concentration camps is a bunch of hogwash Great.
  • Speaker 3
    0:42:10

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:11

    Hey, in other news, Danesha Sousa’s son-in-law, Brandon Gil, doing okay and, Tayhas running for a seat at Tim’s. Do you have something you want to?
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:20

    Yeah. I just I I wanna bring this up because, you know, there’s a lot of things happening tonight and you know, the Haley Trump race, like, at this point, Haley’s done and and, you know, Robinson wins this race. But, like, there hasn’t been, like, a very, I I I I like this house race because it’s kind of a clear encapsulation of the state of the party. Okay. So we’re looking at the Texas Texas twenty sixth there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:45

    Okay. So Texas twenty sixth is kind of like not quite plain now, but whatever’s next to Plano in the North Dallas suburbs, and then it does go out to rural Texas a little bit. But, you know, we’re in Dallas suburbs, excerpts territory, so we’re not you know, we’re not out in West Texas here. Okay. And we had a primary.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:05

    It was like an eleven way primary, but there were three main candidates. Mister Gil is Denesh DeSusa’s son-in-law. His his resume, his CV, is that he was the marketing director, for the two thousand Mules movie. Wow. That, like, did the fake election fraud stuff about how Denesh just, like, looked at some cell phone data and Rose’s like, whoa.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:27

    People were going to the mailbox a lot. That must have been they must be mules, mewling dead people’s votes. Like, that was the extent of their evidence. And this now, like, I I went to one of the game events I went to for the Blake Masters event. Like, Ted Cruz was speaking for Wake Masters and Ted Cruz just goes, two thousand mules and everybody in the crowd’s like, yeah, two thousand mules.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:49

    And I was like, two thousand mules. What? Like he didn’t even say what it was. He just likes, like, it was like a Bulwark. So anyway, so two thousand mules that penetrated.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:57

    So he was the marketing director for that. So I guess kudos. His marketing worked did well. He’s running against like the mayor of one of these, like, suburban towns next to Dallas. He’s running against a lady that was the chief of staff for Tony Gonzalez who’s like a centerite.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:13

    Yeah. How many neutrals did she uncover?
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:15

    Yeah. Exactly. So she’s a Hispanic woman, exactly. Hispanic woman. So you have a chief of congressional chief of staff for a normal congressman, a mayor, And then you have a thirty year old guy who is the marketing director for a conspiracy film.
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:29

    He wins in a landslide. Lancell. Okay. I the last I haven’t seen the final number. The last I saw, it’s an eleven way race.
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:36

    He has sixty percent vote share. In an eleven way, in an eleven way race. And so Why not?
  • Speaker 3
    0:44:43

    Not even going to runoff, man. Not even
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:45

    going to run off. So, you know, I I just I I think that it’s a night, and we all know this, we all know, but sometimes you kind of need these little encapsulations about what is happening and, you know, what kinds of people are cycling in to the Republican Congress and where things are headed. And let me tell you, you know, when Gil, mister Gil gets in there, year. I don’t think that he’s gonna be there to do some legislating. I don’t think he’s there to be compromising, working across the aisle.
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:13

    I don’t think he’s calling Abigail Spannberger’s office. Saying, Hey, can we work together on a VA bill? I think that I think that he’s gonna be like shitposting.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:22

    So This leads me to something. The only thing I actually want to talk about today, somebody put in front of me, something Bill Barr said a couple weeks ago in Naples at some fancy rich person association. He said voting for Trump is playing rushing roulette with the country. Sounds bad. You’re not supposed to play Russian roulette.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:43

    Voting for Biden is outright national suicide.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:47

    Brought down the house. Rob down the house.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:50

    I have so many questions because, a, I feel like we see a lot of Brandon Gills on one side of the political spectrum. And on the other, I don’t see the Democrats nominating a whole bunch of crazies. In fact, I see people like primary ing Rashita Talib and Elon Omar, whatever. But I have a lot of questions about this bill bar thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:14

    Talib is not getting primary just as a matter of fact checking, but what
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:17

    Oh, she’s not? Okay. Omar and
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:18

    Omar and Bowman and Okay. Kori Bush.
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:21

    So, I mean, if If filming for Biden is outright national suicide, then isn’t the country already dead because he was elected president. No? Like, it doesn’t it doesn’t matter anymore then because we no longer have a country because the country is dead.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:37

    No? This is a this is a deep thinker. It’s kind of like there’s a guy that’s been playing on MSNBC all day today where they interviewed him outside of a polling location in Alabama, and they asked him about the IVF thing. He’s like, I don’t understand how embryos can be human if you can freeze them because you can’t freeze me then I’d be dead. Or don’t wait.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:59

    Toushay, sir.
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:05

    So Andrea’s are the lizard people. They’re just very tiny lizard people.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:11

    I hadn’t thought
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    0:47:12

    about it
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    0:47:12

    like that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:12

    What do we think? We’re doing really Mark Robinson is on IVF. I can’t wait to find it out. So, I mean, the bill bar thing, we’re just gonna hear this bill bar. We’re gonna hear variations of this bill bar thing over and over and over again for the next nine months.
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:26

    And there will be people who do it tomorrow, and then there will be people who wait to do it until October, and they’ll seize on some something will happen somewhere. Right? A bomb will go off somewhere in the world, and they will use that as their hook to say, I mean, look, I don’t really I don’t wanna vote for Donald Trump, but, this horrible thing x in, who’s a block of block of baga stan just happened and I can’t trust Joe Biden to handle that. The stakes are too high. And I I this shit makes me so fucking angry.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:00

    It’s a national suicide. You can just see it all out on the street. You’re out on the street. I mean, Bill Barr’s life, you can just see it. It’s like they’re raving hordes people outside his home all the time.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:10

    He can’t he can’t go to the store. He can’t get a cookie, shrinkflation.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:13

    So I
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:13

    would ask Bill Barr, like, okay. Let’s just ten. Let’s live in a world where where Joe Biden wins the twenty twenty four election. What happens then? Like, if that’s national suicide, does are there no more elections?
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:26

    Does Joe Biden?
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:27

    I think that he’s non binary too.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:28

    What does
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:29

    that even mean? This kind
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    0:48:31

    litter boxes in every school.
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:33

    Letter boxes. I have the inter
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:36

    I had them on this weekend. I had a mom this weekend come up to me and say, you’re not gonna believe this Tim, but they have a dog bowl at the local high school. And I was like, they don’t. I was like, they do not have a dog bowl at
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:48

    the local high school.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:49

    It was if she was dead serious right now.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:51

    You know what? They might have a dog bowl. It’s probably true for people’s dogs. It’s probably for regular dogs.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:59

    It’s too, like, are you sure? I was like, we let’s call the principal together. I’m happy to call the principal. I do. She was like, okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:05

    I’ll take your word for it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:08

    I it’s too late to be doing this podcast. Stuff drives
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:12

    me so crazy, and it but this stuff makes me angry because again, Bill Barr is not Bill Barr is not just some some dude at National Review with twitter account, like, looking to get off. Right? He he sees an attorney general. He sees the former attorney general.
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:30

    Who Donald Trump is pilloried? Since he left and who, you know
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:34

    He’s a legal scholar.
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:35

    But here’s the thing, JBL. So when you just did your little riff, you know, like, you just described the whole Wall Street Journal editorial page. Like, the the Biden is worse position is where elite conservatives who have a job and a career at stake in conservative ink will be. And they will present it as though it is self evident. Right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:00

    This is I I encountered this all the time. This this Joe Biden well, Joe Biden’s ruining the country. And you look around and you say, It doesn’t feel ruined. It feels okay. I, like, we have a we haven’t we have an issue at the border and, but, like, ru it?
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:18

    Like, I don’t. So, but that is that is how and they will yes. They will be like a, a statement of fact that in those rooms they will all agree with. But I actually what’s interesting to me is I think that that is going to be like a very hyper elite conservative position, right, people who still have something to lose from there being a Democratic president. I still think that you’re gonna have a bunch of voters.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:44

    Okay? And I I the double haters are a real thing. Saw Nate Koon. The New York Times use double haters. Just remember.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:52

    I’ve been
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:52

    using it for a long time.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:53

    Yeah, man. I also like using a pop on both their houses. But the fact is
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:58

    You really do like using that.
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:00

    I do. I do. I like to go through
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    0:51:02

    what we have before you when you when you ever get to mention it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:05

    Thanks, man. This is who these are people who hate both and so far in twenty twenty and in twenty twenty two. People who are down on both have broken for Joe Biden. They’ve broken for the democratic candidates away from Trump and extreme candidates like him. Will that happen again in twenty twenty four?
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:26

    I’m not positive about that, but that is historically what has happened.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:30

    Look, the truth is I can understand why if you’re Paul as you go and you’re at the the journal op ed page or something. The reason you do this is because you have to write something every day. People wanna know what you wanna You will be hard. You don’t have to say anything about this. Nobody cares what he thinks.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:46

    Nobody’s asking him proactively.
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:48

    You care what he thinks? He’s just
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:49

    You care. You’re mad in money.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:51

    Jami else is for the applause. He’s doing it for the applause. Is that what
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:55

    it is?
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:55

    He hit the Tampa Chambers commerce.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:58

    He wanna be Alright. Alright. Last thing. Nextiva.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:03

    We we gotta
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:04

    save him next week.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:05

    Poor Sarah has to be up at six AM. I’m up till two AM. We’re just we’re just giving you guys takes after takes, after takes, and let me tell you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:13

    We give until it hurts. Look at Sarah. Look how tired
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:16

    she is. The Joe Biden strategy? Ma’am, oh, well, that’ll be there next week. We can we can break that down for everybody.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:24

    I’m gonna be on morning edition at six twenty five. If anybody wants to listen to me, give this exact same analysis in eight hours.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:33

    Maybe they can go back and find it in the archives or something.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:38

    Guys, good show, long show. Everybody, thanks for being with us. Go over to Bulwark Plus, subscribe. Get all of our stuff. It’s good stuff, and I hope that your super Tuesday was Well, who am I even kidding?
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:50

    It was lousy.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:51

    We’ll see
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:51

    you next week.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:52

    Bye.
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