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The Trumps Welcome the RNC into the Family

March 13, 2024
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Lara Trump’s takeover of the RNC has led to massive lay offs and looks to be steering the political organization towards paying off Trump’s legal bills. Essentially, get ready for the RNC to be just another limb of the Trump campaign.

Plus, Robert Hur testifies before Congress, defending his controversial report where he made a low assessment of President Biden’s mental faculties. And Rep. Nancy Mace is feuding with George Stephanopoulos after being questioned about supporting Trump, even though he was found liable of sexual abuse.

This transcript was generated automatically and may contain errors and omissions. Ironically, the transcription service has particular problems with the word “bulwark,” so you may see it mangled as “Bullard,” “Boulart,” or even “bull word.” Enjoy!
  • Speaker 1
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    Hello, everyone. This is J VL here with my best friends. Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bulwark, guys, lots happening. We got a long show today.
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    Kate Middleton full hour on the Kate Middleton saga.
  • Speaker 1
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    Are you ready?
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    You guys, I have been seeing being like, I need to have George Conway explain it all to me about Kate Middleton. And I feel like because he has corgis, he would like know stuff about the royals, but I am a royal
  • Speaker 2
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    Okay.
  • Speaker 3
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    Not watcher. Like, I do not care about the royals. I wanna wait for whatever episode or season of the crown comes out and I will watch the traumatized version. However, I will say it is so dominating. Both my social feeds and just Something
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:49

    has happened to Kate Middleton’s face and people don’t know what it is. And instead of putting out a mother’s day photo, because they have a different mother’s day in the United Kingdom than in America, so you didn’t miss mother’s day. Don’t worry about that. Instead of putting out a mother’s day photo, she put out a photo photoshopped photo of what may very well be her face from a magazine cover. With on her children and they had to retract it.
  • Speaker 2
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    A lot of drama. I’ll give you the rest of it off air.
  • Speaker 1
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    Did she go to Smile, Texas? And something went wrong.
  • Speaker 2
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    She has maybe she went to Smile, Texas. We’ll get back to it.
  • Speaker 1
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    We’re gonna get there.
  • Speaker 3
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    Is that really all you’re gonna tell thought you were gonna genuinely tell me something about Kate Middleton. That’s
  • Speaker 2
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    I mean, that’s all we know.
  • Speaker 1
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    It’s a
  • Speaker 2
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    mystery. That’s why so many people are talking about it. If we knew what the hell what had happened, then then it wouldn’t be such a big deal, but people don’t know what has happened. She underwent surgery, but we don’t know what. We don’t know Sure.
  • Speaker 2
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    Is it facial reconstruction? Did she get had she been to Smile Texas? Did she get some cheek implants? We don’t know. But we’ll find out.
  • Speaker 2
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    We’ll keep you posted.
  • Speaker 3
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    I’m glad you’re speculating wildly. That seems Good.
  • Speaker 1
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    You know who didn’t speculate? This is a commentary show.
  • Speaker 3
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    Robert Herr, who
  • Speaker 2
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    testified today before
  • Speaker 3
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    the the
  • Speaker 1
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    just the facts,
  • Speaker 2
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    man, with Robert Earth. Just the facts playing it straight.
  • Speaker 1
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    And he was he was there and he was there to to make everybody angry He was a the Republicans were very angry because mister Deep State try as he might. Tries he might he wasn’t equal to the task of draining the swamp. The Democrats were angry because you know, like he did this thing where he pretended that Joe Biden couldn’t remember his own name. And, the the most interesting thing, Tim, you watch the whole thing. I’ve only read transcripts.
  • Speaker 1
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    The most interesting thing is that in a moment with Pamela Jayapal, she said something like the important thing is that you exonerated him and Mister Her,
  • Speaker 2
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    who is
  • Speaker 1
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    an upright citizen said. I did not exonerate him. That word does not appear in the report. Thank you. Thank you, mister lawyer man, for making it clear that in your report, which claims that you’re not gonna go forward with the prosecution because you don’t have any proof that he’s guilty see that that’s not total exoneration.
  • Speaker 1
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    It’s great that we still have standards in this trump era. Tim, go.
  • Speaker 2
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    Well, the good news, I think for Biden and for Democrats is that he made no news today. I mean, you’re trying to make that the news, I guess, that he didn’t exonerate, but
  • Speaker 3
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    It
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:19

    was pretty minor. It didn’t he didn’t I I think the big concern I had, right, was that, you know, he would expand on his observations. Right? And there’d be a new round of stories. You didn’t know that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:29

    No. He had to retract frankly some of his observations about Biden, including, most notably the one about about him not knowing the date of his son’s death, which is a much, which is a very, very garbled exchange where Biden actually volunteers the exact date of his own son’s death, and then there’s like a little bit of crosstalk over whether it’s twenty fifteen or twenty seventeen. And and that did not appear in the report. Her report just said he was off by a number of years on how on his son’s death date. So it didn’t didn’t seem like he was playing it quite straight on that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:03

    Nor was what Biden said quite straight about that, by the way, in the press conference, but it’s neither here nor there. Anyway, her has to retract or at least may retract as maybe not Bulwark. Down down shift downgrade. Yeah. Some of the senility comments a little bit.
  • Speaker 3
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    How does he downgrade them? What is the downgraded mechanism?
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:21

    Well, I mean, I guess there is no anytime that anyone on the Republican side trying to get him to use a word other than the very specific three words that he used, which was a well intentioned elderly man with a bad memory. It bad memory, whatever it is with a faulty memory, he would not go any further. He would not go any further. And then, we had the congresswoman from Pennsylvania whose name is escaping mind, like, has to correct him specifically on the matter of Bo Biden’s death and enter and and he’s incorrect and she has to enter into the record what actually happened. And he, you know, you know, says because
  • Speaker 3
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    people went to the transcripts. Right? Like, that’s the thing that I saw. Everybody was posting the transcripts. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
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    They released the transcripts this morning before the hearing. Anyway, his performance at the hearing was I do have to say I think maybe undermine slightly the Democrats case that he was a partisan hack. It’s split. He was just a naive government first person because he had no I mean, he wasn’t really great today. I is if he was if he was a paid Trump acolyte, could’ve come in a lot hotter today than he did.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:28

    Okay? And, the Republicans are mad at him because he didn’t go in a lot hotter. So he was, he was, you know, taking some some, eggs from both sides. And, I, you know, I will say though the the stars of the thing were there are a handful of There are some performative Democrats who just do okay, Eric Swallwell. But then there was some strong Democratic questioning, like Ted Lou, our friend, like, really cornerstone on the question of the difference between Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:54

    Lou gets away from the whole elderly debate and corners among the question of the difference between him and Trump and reads all the things that trump did, you know, a lot. Yeah. Having his lawyer’s line of the FBI, try to delete camera footage, goes through list after list. Did Biden do this? No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:09

    Did Biden do that? No. I thought that was a very strong exchange that that very succinctly, one minute showed the difference between Trump and Biden. And I think Schiff also scores some points by, like, kind of flabbergasted. They keep going back and forth.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:21

    It’s like, you really didn’t think that this random, you know, that taking a random drive by about Joe Biden’s memory was gonna turn into a political football. Because because her keeps saying like there was nothing political about this. And and Schiff is basically like, are you an idiot? Like, are you was this intentional? And you’re or are you an idiot?
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:38

    Like, those are the options here, and and Trevor wasn’t really wasn’t taking a side on that. So, I mean, all in all, I don’t I think this is a win for Democrats mainly because I don’t think anything to happened that is ad worthy or memorable?
  • Speaker 1
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    Yeah. Sarah, I mean, I’m sorry to do this to you again, but everything’s coming up Biden and that her report is a big part of why the bar was set so low for Biden going into the state of the union. Is it possible that Robert Hur was a double agent and that the report was actually a way of he you are playing
  • Speaker 3
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    Too much for domestic medicine.
  • Speaker 2
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    I don’t think so.
  • Speaker 3
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    Go and see brain. It’s going
  • Speaker 2
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    too far. I do. I don’t think so. The one republican did accuse him of being a praetorian guard for the swamp. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:27

    He said that the Republicans said that by not actually prosecuting Joe by and it just goes to show that he was throw up playing, you know, throwing Republicans a bone with the line about his senility. And really, he’s the praetorian guard for the swamp and for Hunter Biden. Does mention Hunter Biden as well.
  • Speaker 3
    0:07:42

    Yeah. I got Bummer News for both you guys, which is, the her report when it landed, landed hard. People have heard about it.
  • Speaker 2
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    Did an art.
  • Speaker 3
    0:07:52

    People and they’re not gonna hear about this hearing. They never do. The cleanup, maybe maybe the Ted Lou, exchange. If everybody pushes it real hard, you can get at least the talkers out there saying, hey, you know, Joe Biden did know when his son died. But, I mean, that’s just I I’m sorry.
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:14

    This is not how voters work. Voters get the first shot when it cuts deep, and then the cleanup never lands.
  • Speaker 2
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    Can I throw a counterpoint though? I don’t disagree with that. I agree with you the to JBL’s double agent thing is stupid. I’m sorry, JViel. I wasn’t a fluff.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:27

    I’m serious. Okay. Well, I mean, sometimes it’s hard to tell. Every once in a while, you know, you’re
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:32

    serious about that weird, the people, you know, trying to get out of being VP by Well,
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:37

    we’re getting back to anything. Yeah. We’re gonna get there in hour three of the show. Don’t worry.
  • Speaker 2
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    The uh-huh. I I will say this though. I guess my point is more. I agree with you. The her report hit hard.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:48

    I also agree with you, Bill, did lower expectations a little the state of the union, and maybe there was a a little bit of a backhanded, silver lining to it there. What my point was was what happened today I think that there were some concerns that, like, today would make it worse. Right? Like, you could imagine a world last week where the report comes out. Republicans are excited.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:07

    Jim Jordan invites him to the Hill, And this is just a week of spiraling Joe Biden as a doddering old man news cycles. And the City of Union kinda stopped that and today was in theory an opportunity for Republicans to get back on that horse, and I just don’t I don’t think it it made or whatever would be
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:24

    I’ll take that. For there. I think I think that the where Biden’s been racking up wins has been less this, and more They seem to have found their footing a little bit. Right? Like not just the state of the union.
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:37

    And clearly, I do wanna give them credit. I don’t think the three of us talked since the state of the union, but obviously we’ve talked it to death already. But I I wanna, like, talk about the post game, you know, the new Biden ads where he’s in his quarter zip, where he is as JBL would say hanging a lantern on his age and, you know, talking about how that brings wisdom I swear to god they’re listening to us so hard. The surrogates have been out. I saw warnock on the TV.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:03

    I saw Buttigieg on the Sunday shows. And so I do think that they look, I don’t it’s I don’t know that it’s worth me kinda being like, hey, guys, the rhythms of politics are different now, and and I hate you playing catch up. But it’s better late than never. Okay? We’re we’re here, we’re where we are now, and it feels like they do at least know what they need to do to get the job done and they’re starting to do it, and I’m happy about that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:28

    Alright. Well, I’ll throw one more crazy five dimensional chest theory out at you. The media needs needs a story. And if Biden had been leading wire to wire, that’s a relatively uninteresting story, but a Biden comeback. Biden comeback is a story.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:46

    I mean, the media is desperate to tell that story. There’s just as many evidence of it yet.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:51

    It’s not true. Get some polls. Hey, if if the media, the the big media, the
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:57

    the media
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:58

    if you’re looking for stuff to cover, I saw a former president of the United States standing on the stage at his glitzy gross club. Paying homage to an autocrat, Victor Orban. And what
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:13

    would be great
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:13

    is if the media could help people understand why praise for this particular autocrat who has robbed his country of democracy. Why Trump’s obsession with him? Cause Trump didn’t just praise him and thank him from the stage and, like, you know, slob on the cross. He also talks about him in all of these speeches where he says he’s a very strong man and he rules his country with an iron fist. This is psychotic and should be getting If not wall to wall coverage, certainly as much coverage as Biden’s age.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:48

    I am beside myself about the things that Trump is saying on trail that everybody has just been like, oh, yeah. Let’s just how he talks. This is nuts.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:56

    Look, AB and I did all show about this yesterday. And the extent to which This is not only a free pass for Trump, but but a free it’s just a gimme for him because all the people on the right who want the organism hear this and nobody else does. And I think even if you could make everybody else in America hear it, they wouldn’t care. It’s just too cheeky like what?
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:18

    It’s hard because or See, here’s the thing about it. Is Orban is probably maybe Burlusconi. Orban or Burlusconi are probably the most apt comparisons to trump. Right? And and kind of the meaty part of the bell curve.
  • Speaker 2
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    I’m wearing my style.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:32

    Because they’re a little buffoonish as well as being autocrats.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:37

    Yeah. And it’s not see, I think Lukashenko is a little aggressive, but I don’t know. I mean, it’s not like he’s a jailing people. Right? It’s not like we have conservation that
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:44

    up to eleven. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:45

    He’s like, what about Lukashenko? Could be Lukashenko. He’s really bad. I think that’s on the outer edges. I I guess my point is, like, if you were putting a nice spin on, like, the potential for a Trump term.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:56

    Right? And and that maybe it’s not the end of democracy. Like, we have no more elections anymore, but maybe it’s just a gradual erosion of democracy. Orban is a really good model for that. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:07

    Like, Orban ran first as a pretty, like, even more normal than Trump frankly. Like, is You know, Orban’s whole first term was basically like the Paul Ryan era of Trump where, like, he did tax cuts. And, you know, then over time, it’s become gradually and gradually more erosion. Cracking down on on minorities on immigrants and LGBT more cracking down on the media and on on private corporations. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:25

    Unlike That is, I think, a very realistic model for whether Republicans wanna take things in where Trump wants to take things. And so I think that that where I’m where I’m getting at is that’s a very important story to tell. Right? Because it’s not like the media loves the story of, oh, there was a report today that Trump said Hitler did some good things in private. And it’s like, yeah, that’s not a good quote.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:53

    A, it’s a blind quote. We don’t have it on audio, you know, and it’s like, you
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:56

    know, really. Kelly said it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:57

    Kelly, Kelly.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:58

    Kelly said it’s in the box. Yeah. It’s going back around and it’s like, okay. Well, that’s not great. Alright.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:03

    You know, but it’s also like, You know, the Orban thing is on video and it is a direct analog to what Trump wants to do that is very scary and bad. And, like, educating people that that and focusing people on that should be what the job is of the media. It’s what we’re trying to do here.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:21

    Because let me tell you something. So this is this is people do not know who Victor Orban is. So when you compare you say, look, this is insane that Trump is praising Victor Orban, a lot of Americans are like, why? Who is that? What country does that person president of?
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:36

    And that is the media’s job. The media’s job is to contextualize the things that Donald Trump is saying. He tried to coup here and, like, he’s trying to be president again. This is, this is, I I don’t like to do the, like, the media is the problem thing. And I do think it’s a tough, tough for them to walk the line because everybody was like, you’re giving Trump too much attention.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:00

    You’re you’re spreading his misinformation, and now they’ve dialed it back. And I’m just like, no, you guys have gotta cover him. You gotta put speeches on TV, the American people have to understand what this guy is talking about. Like, the dictator for a day sounds like queen for a day. Like, nobody’s scared of that.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:15

    That sounds silly. But, like
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:16

    Sounds amazing.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:17

    Yeah. Yeah. They’re, like, maybe he’ll do the purge and, like, kill all my enemies on that one day. Like, whatever.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:24

    But I will say the dictator for a day thing got a little more ominous in the most recent bleat. I don’t know if you saw this. So Trump has been doing this dictator for a day gag. Where he said, I’m just gonna drill, baby drill. And, what’s the other thing that he’s gonna do?
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:38

    Shut the boarder down.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:39

    Shut the boarder, man. Free the six.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:42

    There we go. He added that this week. He added that this week. We’re gonna free the January six hostages. Now we’re starting to get re I think now we’re getting really dictator Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:51

    Like, it’s so for the people who are like, oh, it’s just a gag. Oh, it’s just a gag. Right? He’s just he’s just saying he’s gonna do drilling executive orders on day one. And you can see this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:00

    Imagine this article in National Review. It’s like, no, it’s not really a gag. Once you go to freeing polit, you know, people that are of your political persuasion because they attacked the Capitol.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:10

    Well, he called into CNBC the other day, and, like, One of the I I forget the guy’s name who
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:17

    Errah Sorkin?
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:18

    No. It wasn’t the interviewer. He was on with somebody from
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:22

    some Sclockbox. He’s on the Sclockbox with that guy. What’s his face? Joe Kearnan or whatever his name is.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:27

    Yeah. But there was a guy on was one of the guests. Who is like a but the guy and the guy was sort of saying like, intimating that maybe he would work in the Trump administration. And I’m just watching the like the the Wall Street guys and the tech guys and everybody’s got kind of a I don’t wanna use gross language like you, but everybody is is demonstrating their excitement. They’ve got the they are titillated by the idea of a Donald Trump comeback.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:53

    They can smell their regulatory rollbacks and their tax cuts, and they all are telling themselves the same story again about how well if they go in the administration, they can make sure he’ll do it again. Mnuchin’s like, yeah, I can go back in there. And meanwhile, the generals are all like this guy, said, you know, when it comes to Hitler, you gotta hand it to him. Which under no circumstances do you ever have to hand it to Hitler? Anyway, I just I am I I I think that Joe Biden should have his comeback moment.
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:25

    But if somebody doesn’t start talking about Donald Trump for real, like if we don’t start having new cycles that help Americans understand. I cannot tell you listening to these voters. How much this stuff is the the the legal stuff is like white noise. It all washes over them. It’s making me crazy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:40

    Sarah, Sarah Longwell are eight years into this project. Anybody, any grown ass adult who wasn’t who doesn’t understand this stuff yet, there is nothing anybody can do to make them understand.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:57

    Not true.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:57

    Because they don’t want to. Wrong. I I I just you know, I I don’t understand how you can make people understand anything anymore. I mean, it’s been right there. It’s been there the whole time.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:10

    It was never hidden. It was never secret. It’s almost a decade. We’ve been doing this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:15

    Some people need to be hit on the head with a piano, you know.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:18

    Okay. Speaking of ten bucks at it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:20

    Not literally no labels. Okay. I do not want a DOJ report. Not literally. Figured of speech.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:28

    Hit on the head with the piano.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:29

    That is just as bad. You know, you can have figurative Rico. Okay. Ken Buck who previously announced that employee, man. I’ve been trying this for seven minutes.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:40

    Previously announced that he was going to no longer run for Congress on Tuesday, did the, Sarah Longwell gonna like this. I’m out. Right? You just I’m resigning. I can’t do this anymore.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:55

    Can you blame him?
  • Speaker 3
    0:18:55

    I don’t blame him. It’s obviously terrible there. The question is why is he resigning? Did he just reach his limit, maybe? There was some speculation, which he quickly slapped down speaking of no labels that he would not run as the no labels candidate, although I was slightly disappointed.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:07

    Like, Ken Buck feels like about where no labels is gonna land like, on some no name congressman that is, like, ideologically not in sync, and, like, a democrat would never run with them, and, like, it would never make sense. What’s interesting about Ken Buck retiring right now is that it creates a weird situation for Lauren Bobert. So she, right now, is trying to get out of running in her Colorado district three because she will likely lose to Adam Fresh. Yeah. Who’s great friend of the pod and is a nice centrist, Dem who could absolutely beat her.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:43

    So she wants to go run-in Colorado four. Which is more friendly to her. That’s Ken Buck’s district, but he was gonna leave. So now they have to have a special election. So what does she do?
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:54

    Does she resign her seat? And then to go run-in the special election? Or does she have to stay put? What do you think? Also, that’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:03

    else from the special election and then beat them in a primary become makes our primary tougher.
  • Speaker 3
    0:20:08

    Makes our primary tougher.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:09

    Do they have to have a special or can they leave it vacant?
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:13

    They could leave it vacant. They also could hold the special election on the day of the primary. So people vote in both. That might be Lauren Vobritt’s out, right, where somewhere people vote on one in the general, like, for some other Republican, but it would give that person a boost you would think. And then on the other bell on this on a different ballot or on a different line on on exactly how it’d Bulwark, they would then vote in their party preference primary for the November election.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:43

    So that is That might be her possible escape. I don’t know. I was hopeful that this was a big Ken Buck trol of Lauren and Bulwark, and it still might be in Ken, you’re always welcome on the pod. To discuss this. But I I listened to his interview with Dana Bache, and I don’t know, man.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:01

    The guy The guy was complaining about how he’s the third ranking member of the judiciary committee, and he got the fortieth question at the hearing. And I think it might be possible in this situation that, like, he this is just a rodney dangerfield situation. He’s just like, he’s not getting any respect and he doesn’t stand while everybody else is going along with the guy that did the coup. And he doesn’t and that’s all anybody who wants to ask him about. And he’s just sick of it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:26

    And Mike Johnson’s never called him, never asked him how he’s doing, never buttered, never rubbed his belly or anything. And he’s just like screw you, Mike Johnson. Good luck. Now you have Now you had two hundred nineteen. Now you have two hundred eighteen.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:39

    I think it’s possible that’s just that. I I don’t I don’t Who knows? It’s hard hard for me to get inside the brain of Ken Buck who was once a tea party firebrand T party firebrand costs Republicans a Senate seat back in twenty ten, back in the glory days of Christine O’Donnell and with being a witch That was the same cycle where Mhmm. A nice center right Cheryl.
  • Speaker 3
    0:22:01

    Sherlingle?
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:02

    Yeah. Sharon Angle in Nevada. Jane Norton was gonna run-in my home state of Colorado. My former boss’s lieutenant governor. She gets beaten the primary by Ken Bucku is too kooky for the senate loses and then goes to the safe congress seat.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:15

    It’s a it’s the degradation right before. The Ken Buck story is a nice is a nice
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:19

    That’s the story for the modern synecdoche. Synecdoche. So there’s another purge going on over the r n c, a bloodbath says a source close to the Ron DeSantis people getting gone within hours of Lara Trump planting her flag, kind of interesting. Tim, you will have more insight into this because you worked there. It seems as though most of the firings are in the data and comms shops.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:56

    Which to me suggests that what they want to do is take away important parts of the RNCs that the RNC cannot function independent of trump twenty twenty four. So the RNC simply becomes a an appendage of trump twenty twenty four.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:11

    Subuming this into trump twenty twenty supposing it into Trump for sure. Caputo was on this road about this from Maguville. I think maybe his first or second thing, for us. And, I think that’s part of it. It’s still though.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:25

    The RNC is is a if you’re gonna No job of politics is secure. Right? It’s it’s a transient business. But the RNC is a pretty, stagnant building. A lot of lifers there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:38

    Of people that stay there for a while, get comfy, you know. Yeah. And so yeah. What’s yeah. So people, like, getting can they’re gonna be some unhappy people.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:47

    We’re you’re welcome. Our door is open here at the Bulwark. If you wanna, share any complaints that you have, unhappy, our informer NC staffers. So I think that’s interesting. And I do think this also speaks to money issues.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:59

    It just does. Right? Like you wouldn’t create this unnecessary drama you know, you’d find work for them and, you know, you could move the pieces around if you had enough money. They don’t have money. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:09

    And, like, Dubai’s already on the air. Right now, and they’re not. And they, are spending money on Trump’s legal efforts. And now you gotta live right
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:22

    in there. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:22

    Yeah. So I so I I think that I think that multiple things can be true. Part of this is a reorg. To give more power to Trump and to Lasavita, really, I would say. Chris Lasavita, the Trump strag strategist in the new one from this cycle.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:35

    Because he knows his way around. And, and I think that’s part of it, but I I I don’t think it speaks to the money issues.
  • Speaker 3
    0:24:41

    Here’s the thing. And I I don’t think people are making again. I my complaints are all that people are not making a big enough deal out of all these insane things. It’s not about It’s not just about the firings, the RNC, and it is about the money for sure. It is insane that Lara Trump is taking over, like, that he just installed a family member to run a political farm.
  • Speaker 3
    0:25:03

    Right? Okay. That’s crazy on on its like, on its face. But this idea that they need to raise all this money to pay his legal bills, that feels like an offense message. That feels like something that all the Democrats and I I god knows we’re gonna do it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:25:19

    That feels like the kind of thing you go to voters. Like, do you wanna pay off Trump’s legal bills? And of course, there are going to be some that do, but, like, the fact, how does this work with the rest of the party? Right? They got a fund down ballot rate says senate races.
  • Speaker 3
    0:25:31

    Like, they’re the r n c isn’t there just there for the presidency, but they are gonna hoover up all the resources to try to pay off his half a bill that he owns owes. And the other thing about how much money he owes is like, I was watching a line of duty. Recently, old show, British show, cops show, and one of the cops gets he’s he’s in some debt. He’s in some debt, and he doesn’t disclose it to his higher ups, and he gets in trouble for it. And the reason that you have to disclose your debts is because it makes you much more susceptible to bribery from bad guys and criminals.
  • Speaker 3
    0:26:09

    And so now we’ve got a president who was just storing our nuclear secrets at his in his bathroom, and there’s a new report today that he was just showing around some submarine stuff to the Aussies. And like the idea that he is so in need of money and he’s gonna deal it from all these, like, old people and, you know, he’s selling NFTs and his, you know, sneakers. But why aren’t we why aren’t we explaining to people that he is running for president to stay out of jail and that he is taking all the money to pay his legal bills. And that he is much more susceptible to bribery and like the Chinese TikTok stuff. Like, I don’t know.
  • Speaker 3
    0:26:48

    Did he flip on TikTok? Because, like, We don’t know, but he’s really hard up for cash and that makes him it’s not like he’s the most moral guy or ethical guy. Aren’t we worried about that? Shouldn’t we be talking about that? I don’t know.
  • Speaker 3
    0:26:59

    I’m I’m I I feel like the narratives are all wrong.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:02

    Yeah. I just really quick also. The aussies are friends. I know. The nuclear the thing that he was doing was talking about nuclear submarines with an aussie.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:11

    Not like not like the Australian ambassador or something. It was like a rich aussie who in Mar a lago. You know, it’s just like some yeah. Some rich man over a fast crocodile dundee. And he’s like, hey, cri, dundee.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:25

    Do you wanna see see our map of where we’re keeping our nuclear subs? Well,
  • Speaker 3
    0:27:28

    like, I don’t even care who it is. Like, I don’t care if it’s the ambassador or he’s not the president. He’s got nuclear secrets And he’s just showing him around just for fun.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:37

    Good point.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:37

    Alright. So let’s let’s talk a little TikTok then. I wrote a I wrote a lot.
  • Speaker 3
    0:27:41

    You guys are gonna be gonna respond what do you think he’s open to being a part
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:44

    of it? That’s what that’s Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:46

    Sorry. Sorry. Don’t wanna get into the OE might be dry. I I just don’t know. But, yes, it’s possible.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:53

    Right? He’s gotta pay these these bonds too. These are these ninety ninety million dollar bond. The New York case that he’s gotta pay to in order to get the, appeal. So, yeah, I mean, sure.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:06

    He’s if he’s open to it, There are a lot of problems.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:08

    Alright. Sorry. I wrote about TikTok today. I’m sure you both read it. I read it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:13

    Here’s what has happened. So, either club for growth, which has been opposed to Trump recently. Right? They were heavy for for DeSantis, I think. Trump was very angry with them.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:26

    He had Jeff Yass, yass queen, their free headline for somebody who’s writing about this. And he is, a billionaire runs a hedge fund, and he gives a lot of money to club for growth. And so he has brokered a piece between Trump and club for growth, the club for growth can open up its pockets and spend spend spend on Trump’s behalf. Just as a total coincidence, Yes. Has about twenty billion dollars tied up in ByteDance, which is the parent company of TikTok.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:58

    And By, again, I mean, it’s just a coincidence. Trump has now flipped on whether or not bike dance should be forced to divest itself of TikTok. Which, does not at all sound like a guy who really is short of money for his campaign, and so was looking for alternate fundraising sources to cover commercial buys and ad buys. Right? I mean, that’s that’s basically what this is.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:24

    And, I am interested. I’m interested in, like, both the political side of this, from the Trump’s perspective and then the political side of it from the congressional Republican perspective, are they gonna do they feel like they can still move forward in trying to to get TikTok cleaved off from ByteDance, or do they now have to rethink, like, is this like Ukraine? Are they now have to rethink that? Sarah, what are your thoughts on this?
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:50

    I don’t know, man. I had to launch Republican voters against Trump today, and I have missed, like, a full news cycle on, like, five things. So I don’t I’d know a little bit about the two How did that launch go? It’s crushing. Now you may have seen the piece of the New York Times today.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:05

    You may have seen the hundreds of Trump voters that we’ve had testimonials. May have seen me on morning, Joe, in the seven o’clock hour this morning.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:13

    People submit to people submit in testimonials.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:15

    Yeah, man. We’re getting great. People are people are send it in their videos. We’re getting emails being like, this is me. Can I send you a video?
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:22

    R vet dot org.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:24

    R vet dot org. So for those of you listening, Republican voters against Trump if you’re listening. Send us your send us and tell us why you’re not gonna vote for Trump. But this time, you do have to have voted for him once because, you know, there’s a lot of us now because as you’ve noted earlier, it’s been almost a decade. There are many of us who never voted for Trump, who’ve been never Trump from the jump.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:45

    And as well as the t shirt
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:46

    we’re selling.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:51

    And as well
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:51

    as the The infomercial segment, the three hour next level program?
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:55

    We are we are not the best messengers anymore. But many of these people who have voted for Trump, many of them as recently as twenty twenty who were out after the January sixth, the lies about the election. They tell those stories wonderfully, and they are never again Trump. Trump voters against Trump. And so, anyway, I’ve been doing that, so I missed most of the tick also TikTok.
  • Speaker 3
    0:31:17

    I have people in my office who are like, do you think they’re gonna take TikTok away? And I’m like, I good. I hope so. It’s Chinese spyware, but then I think about Tim who spends hours scrolling through I don’t even know what because I don’t understand tiktok because I’m not on it. Twitter is my only social media name.
  • Speaker 3
    0:31:33

    Do you
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:33

    use that on your telephone?
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:35

    I talk. I talk. I have some thoughts JBL, on this. Because I the the politics are interesting because because of what Sarah just laid out, the the there is a legitimate point here about the political risk of going after TikTok because of its popularity among people under thirty five in particular, and people like me who wish they’re under thirty five. And so, the, like, the fact that in the in their very first committee vote, this was unanimous.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:04

    This is one of those things for, like, both parties. It’s occasionally, sometimes in Washington, and he’ll be able to get mad at the the elite the elites the leadership class been occasionally to stave off the populist towards the right thing to do. We haven’t seen a lot of this lately, but we’ve seen it in this case, is to everybody hold hands and say, okay. We’re just gonna jump together on this one because the Chinese, like, this is pretty bad. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:25

    Like, and, I think as you astutely put out in your newsletter, The spyware element of it, I isn’t really great, but if you actually talk to tech experts, like, the Chinese have bought all of our for all of our, you know, they have all of our data already. I mean, they can get it from all these data brokers who’ve got it from Google and Facebook and everything else. It’s like, there is a small risk in the spyware. There’s a micro risk in certain cases that it could be abused, but I like I’m always like what what are the Chinese gonna get from my spyware? Oh, they’re gonna find out that I like basketball and gay stuff and diva
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:01

    and drag and with the
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:03

    political stuff. Like, oh, you got me, China? You got me. I love call videos and gay videos. It’s a weird weird combo, but
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:13

    you’ve nailed it. When they find your joke at slash fiction, Yeah. I know.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:17

    So anyway, that’s not the big problem. As you pointed out, the risk is the algorithm, and the way it can be manipulated. And this is black box and it can be, it can distort, you know, maybe it just be used to divide Americans. Maybe it’s just being used to push to push specific candidate, or just push the interests of specific country or group in a foreign, you know, foreign policy. I I think Scott Galloway was basically saying that he thinks that China was putting their thumb on the scale on, you know, content related to Israel and Gaza.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:48

    And
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:48

    we know that they’ve done it in content related to Taiwan.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:51

    Yeah. I
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:52

    mean, this is we’re not living in a theoretical world.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:54

    Yes. We know that they’ve done it. So for that reason, and because it’s kind of unknown what the Chinese interests might be, each party could decide that the Chinese that that at some level, the Chinese might be against there. Interests. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:06

    Both parties are just like, nope. Okay. We gotta get them to divest, force them to divest. We’re all gonna jump together. This is now where we get back to the trump thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:15

    Trump being a turd and punch bowl on this makes it a lot harder for everybody to to to jump together. And you’ve and it’s easy to jump together in the committee. When people aren’t paying attention. It’s that closely. It’s a lot different when you’re on the house floor.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:29

    When you have somebody demagoguing when you then get to the Senate, you gotta get over a filibuster. So I don’t know. I I think that that that Trump might have really put a monkey wrench in this thing, that was moving pretty like, kind of shockingly smoothly. Like, I was shocked it was fifty to zero or whatever it was to zero in in committee. I would have thought that that would have been.
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:49

    If if he does this, shouldn’t Democrats all across the country run on this? Shouldn’t this be, like, make ban to talk? Trump is a tool. The Chinese Communist Party, you know, I’ll definitely
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:01

    I’m sorry. TikTok, I think it has probably within on Kay Street among think tanks has, like, a two ninety approval rating, among thirty year old is an under in Atlanta, It probably has a ninety Fave four unfavor rating. And so it’s an I just don’t know that it’s a political winner for Biden. I don’t think it is. I think that’s why the jumping together was necessary.
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:27

    It’s fallen world. Okay. Katie Britt. As Sarah and I were taping on Friday morning, Tim texted and said, have you guys talked about Katie Britt yet? If not, Let me jump in.
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:44

    You had so many so many so many takes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:47

    I wanted to go on the secret podcast to discuss Katie Ritt. I was up. I wasn’t speaking with TikTok. I was up until two thirty in the morning, searching Twitter in TikTok for Katie Brick content. I I was I was insatiable.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:01

    Like, there was I I I was at the end of the internet. I wanted every Katie Britneyeme in existence to be fed to me before I went to sleep on Thursday night.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:10

    So, I I I teased out for Sarah Longwell, which I don’t actually believe. But which I maybe, like, five percent believe, which is that Katie Brit is a smart woman. And she didn’t get to be United States Senator by accident. And she has seen the floating of her name as a potential vice president and realize that this is a road to either jail or hanging. And so she’s gotta get out of this thing before it starts, which is why she did this insane, utterly insane response.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:43

    Yeah. And which is not again, I just wanna this isn’t the problem.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:46

    I have a question for you on this. Did I have to build this on on yesterday’s, daily pot? I it was the non trump category because you can’t count anything trump does. Non Trump category. It was the worst and weirdest speech in in his in in the television era.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:04

    Weirdest of
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:05

    television era.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:05

    Because and that because you
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:08

    have to take up press conferences and debates and stuff. A speech where you get to control everything. It was I think Everything
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:14

    in that was a choice.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:15

    Vivakramaswamy once wrapped, lose yourself, didn’t he?
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:19

    This is yeah. This was at a town hall.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:22

    I was
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:22

    at a town hall. Know you can think of things like the Mark Sanford press conference. What it was it? Her I’ve
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:28

    got an artist.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:29

    Going, who’s Becky Becky Becky, Becky Stan. I guess There was, you know, Rudy. But again, that’s a press conference. Like a speech where you’re just a total set piece. You control everything, and you chose to do this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:41

    I think worst in tell in the television era.
  • Speaker 3
    0:37:43

    I can’t think of anything else.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:44

    And and again, the fact that she’s weirder than like a Zell Miller I I just think this means that it was on purpose. Well, now we have Christy Nome, who put out a tweet today that’s basically an infomercial for dentist office in Texas, not in her own home state about her.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:03

    Talk about how she she went to
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:04

    a bike accident and all of her teeth were knocked out. And she And I gotta I mean
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:09

    And it closes like close-up and super close-up of her teeth.
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:13

    But it’s also sideways. It was like sideways.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:16

    It is it’s deeply, deeply uncomfortable. But also, I think an attempt to make sure that she’s out of the VP running too. Because I gotta say having seen this, I can tell you Donald Trump’s reaction will be not classy.
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:34

    Yeah. He hates it when people promote stupid products for money.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:39

    No. No. He
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:40

    hates it when he promotes. He’s not
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:42

    classy products. That’s what
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:44

    he hates.
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:45

    The Trump steaks were classy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:47

    Right. The highest class steaks
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:49

    ever, the
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:49

    purest vodka ever, the greatest sneakers ever made.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:52

    I don’t think it’s the class or the infomercial. It’s disgusting. Donald Trump does not like to shake people’s hands. He’s as germaphobe. We we had like a four k image of of her gum line.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:06

    I was like, what? I didn’t, like, I didn’t, you could see the little, like, little like leftover popcorn kernels in her in her teeth. I’m like, why are who would why are you showing us this level of close-up? You have a she had a nice smile. To show it, it would have been okay if it was just her smile.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:22

    It would have been a little weird, but okay. But it was deeply uncomfortable. The whole video. Do you
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:28

    know what I find depressing about all this? Is that as these women who are vying for VP. So Christy Nom, Nancy Mace,
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:40

    Elise.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:40

    Police Daphonic, Katie Brit. It’s it opens up, like, they have to behave in these shameless, like and and and the thing was, like, he Brit. I I gotta say I’ve started to feel a little bad for Katie Brit. You know, I I tweeted out yesterday because we had a focus group and it was two time Trump voters. And they were like, this is that was so embarrassing.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:01

    It was the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen. Like, two time travel virtual is like, what, what was that? And so, like, there is she it’s universally pendant. Having watched Katie Brit do other things, and okay. Britney Brit can be normal.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:13

    And so, like, that wasn’t actually her. She was coached. In some way, she got she got used as a prop by the Tommy Tuberville who’s
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:20

    like she did what we asked her to do. Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:22

    She did ask her to be a housewife. Make sure you forget she’s a senator, be a mom and a housewife, and be,
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:30

    become restricted to that buttercup. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:32

    I mean, this is
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:34

    No. You’re gonna be angry, but also sexy. Jesus remember. Jesus loves you, but also you’re going to hell.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:40

    You know, have you ever been asked to go out and do something and they tell you it’s for the team and you’re on the team and you’re trying to show you’re good for the team and somebody sets you up to be humiliated. Like, You’ve been a spokesperson ten. It happens to us. Somebody’s like, you gotta go defend some weird thing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:58

    I’m winning.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:58

    And, and so I I feel like the pile on, like, whatever. She deserves it in the sense that it was the weirdest thing we’ve ever seen, but I just I’m starting to feel a little bit bad for And mainly, I feel bad for the fact that all of these women who in under different circumstances could have been serious legitimate people and could have elevated, you know, splays to path for more women in politics. And instead, they are all gonna be ritualistically humiliated. Through this. And we’re gonna spend all this time just like making fun of Christy Noam’s smile and her popcorn teeth and Katie Brits like, decolletage with the cross and the weird smile.
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:39

    Like, it’s just all
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:40

    So that he could just pick JD Vance anyway.
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:42

    I know. I think that’s right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:45

    I’m I’m of two minds of this because the misogyny is absolutely right. I’m glad that you mentioned. There’s just it is in our you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:53

    Wait. For which, for No. Just the way
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:58

    they feel like they have to act. Like, they’re all on those empic. Like, let’s just be honest. Like, let’s just be Like, at least Defonic has had a make has had a huge makeover. Christy Nom has a new face in addition to the teeth thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:12

    Like, I mean, they all have felt this way. I think Katie Britis probably is just a natural beauty, but like they’ve all feel like they have to do this for him. Right. And that is misogynistic and it’s gross and it speaks negatively about our culture. And I I stand by.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:27

    And I I think that that is right. And maybe we should be more careful about how we talk about it. That said, the for him part though makes me feel like, no, actually we should make fun of them, and they should be humiliated. Because they’re doing this for a fucking insane man that wants to be an autocrat. And like they’re they’re they wanna if they wanna dance for Donald Trump, Like, I’m sorry.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:49

    Yeah. That it says really bad things about our culture that half the country wants this apparently, but I’m I don’t fee I can’t feel bad for somebody that wants to do a dance for Donald Trump.
  • Speaker 3
    0:42:57

    Yeah. I guess I think that’s right. And I also, like, I didn’t feel bad for Katie, but I just started to feel sometimes I see myself in the pile on and I decide, I just am like, I’m I’m gonna be done with the pile on, I guess. I don’t I don’t know. Like, her career’s torched.
  • Speaker 3
    0:43:15

    But like but then there’s part of me that then I hear I hear that part of me in my head too that’s like they’re doing this to themselves. Like they’re doing this on purpose. But I I don’t know. What? I’m not mad that they’re ambitious.
  • Speaker 3
    0:43:26

    I’m mad that they’re craven, but it’s not and we go after Tim Scott, I guess. But
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:33

    Ted Cruz?
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:33

    JD Vance. Here’s the thing. I would I could all the way be too. I feel bad if Katie Brit’s career was torched, but it isn’t. She’s like thirty eight years old or whatever, forty two years old.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:45

    She’s gonna be she’s in an absolute safe sanitorial seat that she will own until the end of time or she decides she wants to do something different with her life. Like, she She won’t pay any price within Republican politics for this. She just won’t be Trump’s VP this time around.
  • Speaker 3
    0:44:01

    Yeah. I think I just hate it all. That’s all. I just, like, hate what Trump has done to everything around politics.
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:08

    The worst universe of it all? Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:11

    You better buckle up your chin strap. Talk about Nancy Mace, who went on, George Stephanopolises show on Sunday and was asked whether, you know, what how she reconciles her her endorsement of Trump with the his conviction for sexual assault. In Nancy Mace is not doing the five to five dimensional chest to get herself kicked off of the VP short list. She is all in. And so her response was that she herself was a rape survivor and She weirdly accused George Stefanopolis.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:48

    She’s like, and, you know, that’s a shame that you will never feel. She’s a very odd formulation. So she she refused to answer the question by saying that Stephanopoulos was trying to shame her because she’s a rape victim. And then when she’d said that asking people about Trump’s conviction for sexual assault itself as an attack on rape survivors because it makes it harder for victims of sexual assault to come forward. Which is the most bonkers thing I’ve ever heard.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:21

    And I you wanna talk about somebody who’s lowering themselves. Like, I I don’t even know where to go with that. Sarah Longwell look like I’ve broken you. Did I break you? I’m sorry.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:32

    I don’t know why I’m doing this, but, like, I’m not exactly gonna defend Nancy Base because she was being preposter but I just have to say, George Stephanopoulos also worked for a guy who was a sexual assaulter. And so, like, there to me, that was just sort of, like, Okay. But let’s all be let’s all be a little more self critical here. Like, let’s see who’s the like, somebody should should point out to Nancy Mace that it is very gross for her as a sexual assault survivor to work for somebody who has been accused not Like, it’s not just Eugene Carroll. It’s not it’s all of it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:46:08

    There were so many, alleged, such that although he is an adjudicated sexual assaultor, in the eugene Carroll case. So, you know, so I just I think that that was the right. But it is,
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:22

    The Bimbo eruptions got it bothers you always coming from the Benbauer upstairs.
  • Speaker 3
    0:46:26

    That’s right. That’s right. And this
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:28

    is what
  • Speaker 3
    0:46:28

    I mean. It’s just,
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:30

    so I guess, can I say this? I will say that, In some way, she’s getting what she wants, which sucks because dot, the Trump bleat that was read during the Oscars. Was, like, a result of her whole shtick. But, like, could she just gone on George Seven up was not make a big deal out of it. Trump would have ever noticed that that happened.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:48

    But he did notice it because she made a whole big stink out of all this. And then when he is tweeting her at at at Kiml that he then reads on stage and he’s like, The only person worse than Kimwell being there is like George ding a dong or whatever, like, thing is. And he’s so short.
  • Speaker 3
    0:47:04

    Suckalopolis. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:05

    He’s like so short. And it’s like, what is happening? I could all of this thing. So so she got what she wants. She got Donald Trump’s attention.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:12

    I will say I was encouraged though. I just don’t know. I I I don’t want people to feel like they can’t speak to me and in phone conversations or also use it on my podcast. I’ll just say somebody that I is in my life that that is not a George Stephenopolis fan like Sarah Longwell is a was longtime Republican voter and it’s like they’re like, I turned on the thing on Sunday morning, and I’m watching this live. So not within not through the prism of Twitter or anybody’s takes on it or short clips.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:42

    And they’re like, this woman is supposed to talk to this. Not know Nancy makes. And they’re like, this poor woman is crazy. And it’s like, I just seen Katie Brit on Thursday night with the fake crying, and now it’s Sunday morning. And it’s like, where are they finding these people?
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:56

    And I think she’s like, asked about Donald Trump’s sexual assault and then she starts yelling shame. Shame. Like, it’s like, what is happening? Like this. And so in some ways, I think the political gravity has applied a little bit to, Brit and Nate, and so that’s encouraging.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:17

    You know what’s crazy? They were all normal one Like, Nancy Mace used to be on all the lists of, like, moderate, gettable Republicans. Elise Stefanic, you, like, wrote the the whatever report with her. Right? The
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:30

    The autopsy. Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:31

    The autopsy, which was all the normie establishment finals talking about how if they could just be more establishment, Normie, Rhino. Would win more elections. And it’s like these were men, not Nancy Mace’s performative, like, wearing the a. I just it’s more it’s it’s like Nancy’s is clearly so craven and disturbed that, like, this is how she’s gonna behave to try to get Donald Trump’s attention. It is also sad and pathetic.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:57

    On the other hand, I just part of me went, dude, you worked for a sexual assault guy. Like, let’s just you know, you could prove that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:04

    Robertson to do this exactly. Kindly. Is somebody else available?
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:10

    I think Nancy May’s right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:13

    You’ve been quiet. I know you you get uncomfortable when Nancy May’s comes up. You get you get uncomfortable and conflicted. So I’m interested in what you had to think about.
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:20

    Better job. Do you
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:21

    think she’s
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:22

    selling herself? I I think that she is attractive to Donald Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:28

    She is s w f ing now. I think it’s a little hard. I don’t know. We’re it’s all I hate him when he and Donald Trump sent the single white female, like, stalker. She’s like, it’s like, I take down a trip, but, like, eventually, you would think that that’d be like, alright.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:41

    I got it. Okay. You’re trying as hard as you can, boss. To be my VP or maybe she
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:46

    she broke up with her fiance so that she would be available. Right? I mean, it’s a little Okay.
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:51

    Well, he doesn’t get to be like, oh, okay, sweetheart. Like, I hope she boils a rabbit in his kitchen. You get that reference?
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:00

    It’ll yeah. I do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:01

    I do. I do.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:02

    Jade has no idea.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:03

    Fatal attraction. Glenn Close. It’s it’s in black and white. Yeah. It’s, it and they’ve they, you know, it wasn’t a talkie yet.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:13

    It wasn’t a talkie. It was a, you know, they’re the back when you had to have the piano players in the front of the theater, and they would flash the dialogue cards on screen.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:20

    I hope when he doesn’t choose them, they all go full just, in staying on him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:25

    Gonna be J. D. Vans.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:28

    Sorry.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:30

    Alright, guys. That was great. This is, our first ninety minute show. Covered all the topics.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:36

    This was a great show.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:37

    I think. Did I leave anything? Was it Was it ninety minutes?
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:41

    I I don’t I think that it was a
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:42

    good, like, two hours.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:45

    I
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:45

    think it was a big, good length.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:46

    It’s hanging out with us hard JBL.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:49

    I I just think this is taxing? No. I love hanging out with you guys as long as there’s a mediated layer
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:55

    of technology that’s really happening. Can I tell you what’s really happening? Yeah. JBL ru. It’s fifty three minutes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:59

    Thank you, sir. Sash, and a very short show, frankly. Yeah. And we we should be going longer. JBL will not be happy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:06

    He refuses to be happy. And so it’s kind of in a perverse way when, like, the New York Times poll is out there and Donald and Joe Bine’s losing by five and, you know, things are and it’s dark outside. JV that’s when JBLs, like, kinda gets his dander up. And and that’s, like, where he shines. And right now, Joe Biden’s had a good five days.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:28

    We’ve had daylight savings time. I will not apologize to you standard time people in the comments. I will not apologize. We have daylight savings time. He’s getting his vitamin d.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:38

    Joe Biden said some good speeches, a, you know, bad things have befallen, Katie Britt, and Nancy Mason, Jevia, and the Bulwark is thriving. I know. And Jevia, I’m like, I’m not happy. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:51

    One my my subtweeting exchange with Ezra Klein. In the in the page of the Atlantic over whether or not Joe Biden’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:57

    the He defeated Ezra in a battle that only JBL knew about that Ezra didn’t know he’s participating in so he cannot be happy because so many good things have happened the last five days. And so he has to complain about our company. That’s what
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:10

    the If you wanna do something to cheer JBL up, Go become a bulwark subscriber. We are growing this great community that has been, on fire. But we are still. We we need we need you. You’re getting all this free content.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:24

    Like this amazing show you just got today with all of our So go become a Bulwark subscriber, sign up the Bulwark Plus and, get more. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:33

    Alright, guys. See you next week.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:35

    Bye. Great.
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