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The Big Lie is Hiring Up!

March 27, 2024
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The RNC, now under Lara Trump, is asking candidates if they believe the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump, creating a new litmus test for Republicans who want to work in politics. Plus, Republicans politicize the tragic Baltimore bridge collapse, Candace Owens is out at the Daily Wire, and Donald Trump grifts off selling bibles! Will Saletan subs in for Sarah on this week’s episode!

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  • Speaker 1
    0:00:06

    Hello, everyone. This is J. V. L. Welcome to the show with Tim Miller and Will Saletan sitting in for Sarah Longwell
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:14

    was gonna say. One. Sarah’s had a rough couple weeks. Was like, I know she’s doing two jobs over here, but all of a sudden, I flip out the screen.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:21

    She looks totally different with glasses on
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:23

    her. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:24

    With the glasses, She almost looks like Will Saletan.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:27

    Okay. Interesting. Welcome, Will. Welcome to the next level.
  • Speaker 3
    0:00:30

    Happy to fill in. This show has always had two people with a wife and one person with a husband, and we still do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:36

    That’s a great point. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:37

    Hey. Look at that. Look at that. So, We were gonna talk about Rona Romney McDaniel who is now officially out and has been dropped by CAA.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:48

    Are you mispronouncing your name on purpose? Is this like a dumb blonde thing?
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:51

    No. No. I wouldn’t do that. And, and she the the Corona, like like coronavirus, isn’t that how you it? No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:58

    No. I don’t believe so. I think it’s like run, like, Ron DeSantis in red.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:02

    Who could say? Who could say? But we’re not gonna talk about that because we don’t want you to have nice things. We’re gonna talk instead about the news that, over at the new Jack RNC, They’ve got themselves some questions. They’re asking people who are playing for jobs over there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:20

    One of which is, Was the election stolen? Bradley? Bradley, do you say the election was stolen? Say it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:30

    Chad, Trent?
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:33

    We’re into stasi territory. We’re in full lives of others land with what the Republican Party is now. Tim, you worked well. I’ve interviewed
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:43

    at the RNC. I’ve been in an RNC before.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:45

    Conducted interviews
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:46

    at the RNC. I’ve conducted many many.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:50

    What were your litmus tests for people?
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:52

    You know, competence, ability to write a press release, ability to communicate with others. You know, wanting to work hard, wanting to work after hours. Those are some of my witness tests. You know, it wasn’t a forty hour a week job. Not gonna cry if I yelled at them.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:08

    I used to I was a tough boss. I’ve totally chilled. I’ve totally mellowed. I was Really? I was mean.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:14

    You were a yeller?
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:15

    Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. What the fuck? I know.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:18

    I know. It was I’ve totally, you know, like It’s before
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:21

    we got into edibles. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:22

    It wasn’t. No. It was. I was kinda bike. You know, my my edible journey is ups and downs, but, that was, that was during a down phase.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:32

    For sure, I gotta say JBL. I but the interview I I did that was conducted with me is probably the most relevant comp that I can offer of all out there because I had worked on John Huntman’s primary campaign in twenty twelve. It was a failed effort. We finished in last place, but we were feisty. It was a feisty last.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:54

    It was a gentleman seventh.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:55

    That was yeah. It was no. It was not a gentleman seventh. It was a very aggressive dick seventh place. We just we took out We took we took out Herman Cain.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:09

    We took out Mitch Daniels. Mitch Daniels. We were we are good. We are not very good at promoting our candidate, but we are quite good at just taken out other candidates. We’re just I was like randomly shanking Rick Perry for no reason.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:22

    We were good at the Oppo research on the huntsman campaign. And as a result of that, the Romney High Command had some mixed feelings about me, personally. Some in the Romney High Command for, like, never give that person a job. The, you know, attacks on Willard were too personal and too aggressive. And I I do not wanna see that person in a meeting on a conference call.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:47

    There are other people in the Romney High Command that were like, man, if some of my colleagues hate this person that much, we can maybe make some use out of him. And so that faction was like, okay. He probably won’t be welcome in Boston, but maybe we can put him at the RNC where he could work to try to create Agita in the Obama campaign. And so we had a interview. It was the Romney campaign manager, Sean Spicer, and Reins Prejesus and myself.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:15

    This is a great, this is a great trip down memory lane, isn’t it? So loyalty litmus test is maybe overstating it, but they were interested in making sure that, like, I did not have personal grievances against Mitt Romney that I was not gonna, you know, tried to undermine him from the incident. There was not some Mormon on Mormon. I was not like a Mormon manchurian operative inside, and none of those were true. I was I actually liked Mitt Romney.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:43

    I just was a good spire, and I just enjoyed sparring. And, So, like, there is, there is a level at which this is appropriate. Right? I I I it is crazy for me to think that, like, oh, to hire you at the RNC, you’d have to like Donald Trump, but I I I think that’s almost kind of a fair thing to ask at this point. If Donald Trump is gonna be the nominee of the party, you would not want somebody to work for the RNC that, like, actively hates Donald Trump and or actively believes that he’s gonna institute an autocracy or that he’s a racist bigot or all the others or that more on reality TV show host.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:13

    Right? So, like, I would not be a good candidate. For example, wait a minute.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:17

    What if the candidate thinks that he’s gonna do all those things, but is in favor
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:21

    of Okay. That’s cool. If they’re looking for a theocracy, that’s what that looks like. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:25

    If they think that he’s gonna do autocracy, but they are down for it That’s cool.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:29

    Yeah. Okay. So I mean, I think that would be, again, I I find that despicable and corruptible and and terrible, but, like, it’s defensible. Right? This idea that you would not want somebody to work at the RNC who doesn’t, at least, and minimally support the person that the RNCs can be supporting for president.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:46

    Okay. So that’s one thing. But then now to go down the rabbit hole into who not only do you have to support Donald Trump. I want him to be the president. But you must believe the preposterous lies that he is telling about our democracy that not that his own family doesn’t believe.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:02

    That his own attorney general didn’t believe that many of the members of his cabinet didn’t believe that the people that were put in the people that he hired in order to prove his lies were true, became unable to run it. They were they were unable to, authenticate, Donald Trump’s fever dreams and wishes about the about the election thievery. So to demand that every single person that works in that building with the regional communications director, the data director, the like did they all must ascribe to the to the lies. Now that is not a loyalty test. That is a cult.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:42

    That is a cult that we’ve now moved from saying, Hey, you must support the nominee. To, hey, you must completely submit yourself to all the false belief of the nominee. Like, and that you must praise him, and you must adore him. Well, see,
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:01

    I I I’m gonna go slightly the other way on
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:03

    this, Tim. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:04

    Because we’ll get to you, Will. I promise you’ll be a little maybe not.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:10

    Maybe not, actually. We kinda brought you into it as like an audience, you know, or you’d laugh.
  • Speaker 3
    0:07:15

    I’ve seen what Sarah has to put up with. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:18

    Yeah. So this is actually we’re proving to people. We’re not sexist. We just like to talk and interrupt. Okay?
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:22

    And I’ve gotta interview people now every day, and I sick of it. Alright. I want people to hear. I want people to ask me what I think. Sorry, J.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:29

    V. L.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:29

    Isn’t the RNC merely asking people When they say, do you believe that Donald Trump won? What they mean isn’t do you actually really in your heart of hearts believe it? They just mean, are you willing to say that Donald Trump won in a public situation which calls for you to say that? Which is different than, like, the Cyontology level auditing where they keep you awake for seven days straight and apply you with coffee and cigarettes all in an attempt to get you to admit that you’re gay so that then they can blackmail you or something.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:04

    Which is
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:04

    not a thing that Scientology does because they’re famously litigious. I’m just saying I saw that in the movie once. It’s a very deeply unfair characterization of a perfectly normal religion. And, and and so that would be really bad. The sort of, you know, are you now or were you ever a communist kinda.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:20

    Are you now or were you ever an ever trumper? That might be bad. But the simple, hey, around here, we all, if publicly asked, have to say that the the big guy won. So are you willing to do that? Isn’t that kind of what this question is, Will?
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:34

    I mean, don’t get me wrong. It’s despicable.
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:36

    You’re making Tim’s point, which is that’s what you have to say in order to get this job in order to be
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:40

    Right. Sure.
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:41

    Right. Yeah. No. The fact that we have to cross this line, look, I feel like I’ve been kinda crazy about, like, the first time I said that this was an authoritarian party, I was like, that seems a little strong, you know. Am I
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:55

    sure I believe my own commentary?
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:57

    Yeah. Like authoritarian, it sounds like, you know, come on. We’re not Russia. We’re not China. We’re not North Korea.
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:03

    And, like, people start throwing around the f word fascism. I’m like,
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:05

    that’s a
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:06

    little you know, I I don’t wanna sound unreasonable. Right? But you go through the list of what they’re doing, and it’s just check, check, check, check, check, right? It’s sort of like, we don’t have a platform anymore. The only test is do you believe in this guy, right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:19

    Where all the fundraising is now gonna go through his operation and, like, the Republican National Committee gets sloppy seconds on that. And we’re gonna pay off we’re gonna pay off his legal bills. It’s essentially the party has become, you know, a legal defense fund. We are we’re gonna literally install the guy’s daughter-in-law as co chair of the party. Like, that’s I feel like asking you guys, Tim, I feel like asking you, like, these are things nobody’s ever done this before.
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:42

    Right? You don’t make a family member, like a chair or co chair of the party. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:47

    Oh, people have people have done this and, like, you know, Yukanda.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:53

    Yeah. Tag Romney was made co chairs of the RNC.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:56

    Miller is tag. Occasionally, I would have to take a phone call from a Romney or a Bush family member you know, that’s like, hey, you know, cousin, so and so over here is a little bit concerned about this or that. Right? You know, so there there are certain things you have dude, to sort of keep everybody happy. But, no, installing somebody in that is, is not feels very un American and Apple bum, had this to say about it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:19

    In twilight of democracy, I described how autocratic one party states use conspiracy theories to test party members loyalty to the regime. The Republican Party is now on that track. That’s right. Like, right. This is and it’s just it’s directly out of a playbook from you know, what what you would expect from miscellaneous or from something like third rate, you know, autocrat in some Eastern European country.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:42

    Because once you get into that world, the only people you can trust are family. Right? This is how this is how gangster operations work.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:49

    So I was expecting so Josh Dossy wrote this piece. And he he contacts the the RNC and the Trump people for a response. And I’m expecting a denial. I’m expecting, like, mean, the
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:00

    person that’s responding to the inquiry has already had to demonstrate that they have to prove that they believe this, so they can’t deny it. Like, it’s it’s like Peter in the garden. This is a test. This was the the RNC email to the spokesperson was the first test. I bet that person was nervous to even send it up the chain and say, Do I deny it?
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:17

    Do I not? You worry you get in trouble then.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:20

    So there are these moments where I expect we’re we’re having a sort of a test of how far have we descended into this sort of, you know, North Korea style government or party at least. And I, you know, Ronald McDaniel goes on meet the press and starts to renounce stuff that she said as RNC chair. And I’m, like, Okay. Cool. At least that means that there’s still shame.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:39

    There’s still embarrassment. There’s still people trying to track back to reality. And then I see this. And, like, there’s no denial of this. They give some statement back that, like, yeah, we asked people about their experience.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:49

    It would have been easy to deny it. They didn’t. So, like, they’re like, Yeah. We’re doing this. It just seems insane.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:54

    It
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:54

    could’ve been worse. It could’ve been worse. The RNC could have responded to Josh Dousy by saying, we don’t ask people But everybody who is applied has freely proclaimed
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:04

    their belief in the
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:04

    the greatness of chairman Mao’s program. Yeah. Right? I mean, this is, you know, this is what we are we are at struggle sessions.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:14

    So from a trajectory, I think this hit the cutting and floor of my book, because it was, like, gonna be a person that was gonna be a character ended up for various reasons, not not being able to provide enough information to, like, merit a full chapter. But they were at the RNC in the first turnover, right, from twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen, right, or the the they’re there during the primary. Right? They’re a former colleague of mine that worked at the RNC, was there during the primary. Figuring, oh, I’ll be the RNC.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:41

    I don’t wanna give away their job, but I’ll be a prominent person at the RNC when Marco Rubio or Jim Bush or Scott Walker or whatever is the nominee. And that’ll be a great job and good for and then Donald Trump wins the primary, and then they’re there. And it’s like, what do I do? Do I quit or do I stay? This person made the poor choice to stay after I encouraged him to quit, and then Trump wins the presidency.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:58

    And then all of a sudden, it’s early twenty seventeen. And I I was saying to him, I was like, what was it like? Like, during that time? And he said, well, you know, in the very early days, the, oh, it had to be the biggest crowd in history. You know, like, something would happen.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:10

    Trump would say something crazy, and we would have internal conversations. At the RNC? Like, what do we say if we’re asked about this? Do we correct the president? Do we say, oh, do we do the, oh, what Trump really meant was thing?
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:21

    Do we ignore? You know, and at various times, he said in the over those first couple months, we would have these internal calls where, you know, we would kind of that stuff around. And this person always was on the side of, well, I think, you know, maybe we should clarify. Maybe we should say that the chairman doesn’t exactly agree with that or whatever. And, you know, it was just suggestions.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:40

    It was internally. It wasn’t like they were publicly going on TV saying Trump was wrong. These were private conversations. And this person told me that they received a call from Jared Kushner, like, a few months in. That was like, hey, are you, so are you on the team?
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:53

    Wonder if you’re are you actually on the team? Like, are you on board with what we’re doing here? I’ve heard some things here not on board. And they’re like, no, I’m on I’m on board you know, I just wanna make sure we’re doing what’s best for the RNC and for the building. I’ve worked here for a long time.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:07

    And so that I mean, it was all there. Like, it’s all been there for eight. Yeah. Like, this is just the final flourishing and manifestation of, of that. And like now, You don’t have to have people like that person in the building anymore.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:22

    Right? Because they don’t have any holdovers from twenty fifteen left. Maybe like two maybe like there are two dilberts down in the Like, you know, there’s one guy that’s been there doing the direct mail since nineteen seventy two. He might still be doing the direct mail down there, but most of mostly all of the people like this per person have been flushed out. They’ve all taken other jobs or left or whatever.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:41

    And so now they need to make sure that they’re not replenishing the building with any any any future troublemaker. It’s pretty dark.
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:47

    I I do wanna make a point here. And I I think we talked about this at some point recently, Tim. Trump is unique among presidents in my lifetime in that doing this to the party was his primary goal as president. He had no grand legislative ideas. He didn’t have, like, a thing he won do what he wanted was to take complete and total ownership of the Republican party itself as an organization.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:22

    And nobody else has ever done that. This is, you know, Andy
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:26

    wanted people to call sir.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:28

    And then with tears in their eyes. You know, and what it has always been is the the president is or the, you know, or the guy who’s the presidential nominee is basically a caretaker of the institution. With the understanding that they’re they are there temporarily, and then they move off the stage. And, you know, they have it’s like head coaching in in college basketball. There are family trees, Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:48

    You know, you have a guy who’s a Rick Majushi guy and a guy who’s a a Bob Clemens guy or something, but but, you know, those those ties very quickly dissipate and new structures arise. And this shit, man, this is, again, it is like the Gambino crime family. It’s not it’s not a caretaker of the Republican Party. He owns it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:11

    Is this about ego or is it about power? I mean, what I mean is The Chris Christie critique of Donald Trump is, you know, the lives are afraid that he wants to take over the country and do all this. But, actually, it’s just about he can’t stand the idea that he actually lost the election. He he needs people to affirm that he’s the greatest, and he doesn’t You know, that this statement that they’re asking people to acknowledge is just a statement that doesn’t have any real meaning. Like, if you’re an if you’re applying for a job at the RNC, the boss just wants to feel good.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:45

    It’s like the, How many people were at the, inaugural. That kind of thing. Right? So we’re gonna lie, but you tell yourself the lie doesn’t really matter.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:53

    Does Hitler really want the student land? Or is the Sudan really just about his personal pride and his, you know, like this thing he has in his mind about what Germany really should be?
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:04

    I I guess I’m just trying to get at the rationalization. Somebody who’s asked this question who’s applying for this job. I mean, following Tim’s trajectory, sort of you Bulwark your way down the hole of, like, successively more and more crazy things you have to affirm. But I wonder if saying that Trump won the election. When, as a matter of fact, Joe Biden is the president.
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:24

    I mean, Rona McDaniel says he is legitimately out to president, but saying that Trump actually won now serves this sort of ego purpose for Trump.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:33

    It makes you tell yourself. Keeping the enemies out. It’s about keeping perceived enemies and traitors and stabs. Right? It’s it’s all I can’t this is all just They went through this in Germany.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:43

    Right? The we only lost World War one because of the stab in the back. Right? That’s that’s what this is, and they wanna keep they wanna keep all the bad Republicans out. And this is one way to try to, you know, one of their screens for it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:57

    As usual, I’ll take the middle ground. I think it’s about the hole in Donald Trump’s stomach and the fact that Fred didn’t love him as much as he wanted, but it’s also about a purge. It’s both. It can be both. It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
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    Alright. So, we had a horrifying National tragedy happened earlier this week. The Frances Scott losing in Baltimore contract? No. So we had a a container ship hitting one of the main pillars on the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore and bringing the bridge down.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:06

    I believe as of right now, at least six people are dead. I wanna talk a little bit about the the response of the police and just the port authority people around this, which was unbelievably good. They had four minutes from the May day call to the time the the bridge was in the water, and they stopped all traffic. And, they weren’t able to get the construction guys off the bridge, but it was just tremendous. Tremendous work on the part of the first responders.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:33

    And, a bunch of Republicans decided this was time to keep going culture war. This is here is here is a gubernatorial candidate in Utah. Phil Limman, who’s currently a state representative. He tweets out. This is what happens when you have governors who prioritize diversity over the well-being and security of citizens.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:55

    That’s great. Representative Jeff Andrew also blamed it on DEA, Nancy Mace blamed the bridge collapse on the Biden infrastructure bill. I’m Ron Burgundy. Mark retailer Green, just to ask some questions. Maybe it was an inside job.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:10

    I, I don’t It’s a big country.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:14

    The lives of TikTok lady managed to, insult, insult Pete Buttigieg. And said that, I guess that our bottom secretary of transportation will be there, so I had to make like, fun of his sexual choices.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:28

    Oh, because he’s gay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:30

    Yeah. And then and then and then she included along with them. She included along with that tweet. She included along without a picture of Pete and Chasten sitting on a swing together, smiling happily. This is I, you know, this is a really Really two sick notes deserve it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:45

    Don’t say. Yeah. That’s a pretty sad person. I guess. That is that’s set in salts.
  • Speaker 3
    0:21:50

    Yeah. That’s a big part.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:52

    They have a happy partnership. There you go, Will.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:54

    So this is one of those things where it used to be something like this happens and everybody like, drops the politics for five seconds. And then it comes back. You know, it always comes back, you know, three days later when somebody says, well, you know, governor Keybob isn’t doing such great job with his response, right, on the deepwater horizon or something like this. But we don’t even have that refractory period of pause anymore. We just go right to culture war stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:21

    And it’s it’s so insane and what but what I wanna know is, will, why don’t these people pay any price for it? Because I don’t think that, representative Phil Limman is gonna have to walk this back if he wants to do well in the Utah governor’s primary. Like, it’s just, you know, like, it’s just you could just say stuff. Nobody cares.
  • Speaker 3
    0:22:43

    And the big picture I would say about the Republican party It’s not a governing party. It’s not a party based on getting things done. I mean, we, like, we just had this demonstration with the border bill, right, with the Democrats are like, okay, no amnesty would just give you border security stuff. And the Republicans are like, no. No.
  • Speaker 3
    0:22:59

    We want the issue. We don’t wanna solve the problem. And so they’re already, like, here’s a a classic. There’s a bridge collapses. It’s a classic governing issue.
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    0:23:08

    Something needs to be done. And their whole reflex is how can we use this to get people angry. And their base is happy with that. Their base wants this to be about, I don’t know, this, you know, Look, DeI today is pretty much code for Bulwark and brown. It’s code for, like, or maybe anti gay in the case of, like, lids of TikTok, right?
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    0:23:31

    That we’re gonna find some way to take the most simple practical infrastructure issue, a bridge that went down, And we’re gonna make it into an issue about gay people or black around people or whatever whatever their deI thing is. It and, you know, we were just talking about that litmus test in the Republican Party. That was an absurdity test. Like, What’s the craziest thing that we can get you to a firm, right, in order to get a job at the r n c? I feel like this bridge collapse is another absurdity test.
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    What is the most culture free issue that we can throw at you, and we challenge you to come up with a cultural spin on it? And they do it. That’s what they are.
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    0:24:12

    Yeah. Tim, this is the they gotta prove that the the craziest son of the bitch in the room. Right?
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    0:24:17

    Yeah. No. I didn’t think that it was, like, if you have two Republicans in a primary, and one Republican is, like, I think the UN is run by aliens with masks, Xon, and I think that the Francis Scott Key Bridge was actually built by Mole people and that the mayor of Baltimore, was only elected because he’s Bulwark. And I also think that, you know, there are Fucking, who knows, sudanese, swimming across the ocean, and then coming up through Mexico across the border, they wanna terrorize our country. And then you have the other candidate that’s like, I think that we should cut back on red tape and cut taxes.
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    0:25:00

    Like, the Republican voters are like, Gimme number one. I I love number one. Like the more the give me more of what you were what you’re selling candidate one. And I I just don’t like how the I don’t know how you fix that, but like that is where so that’s why these people go that way because because they’re rewarded. Right?
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    0:25:17

    Like, the stupider and crazier and most racist and offensive excuse they give for these sorts of news items, the more that they Will Saletan not as if they’re not punished, they’re celebrated for it. You know, and that’s true in the politician level, and that’s certainly true at the media level. You know, the phrases got a key bridge situation. We’ve seen this. Like, it was built in nineteen seventy seven.
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    0:25:40

    So I, like, explained to me the DEAI initiative that went into building that bridge Like, who do it, you know? I, like, the whole, like, it does, like, none of this stuff even makes sense. Like, the people that said that Baltimore elected their mayor as a as a DEA, like Baltimore is a black city. I go, like, what do you mean? Like Baltimore was tokenized.
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    0:25:57

    I I, like, it doesn’t even make sense to like this. This claim that’s going around at the Baltimore mayor. It was the and and, you know, I interviewed for the Daily Pod today, one of the reporters from the Baltimore banner. Just an independent outlet, started because the Baltimore son was bought by hedge fund guys and then sold to some conservative cranks who think the Putin is a good guy in the Russia, Ukraine. Oh, yeah.
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    0:26:20

    And so now the Baltimore Bander is, like, it’s a pretty straight news. Like, I kept trying to get him to, like, take digs at the Baltimore son and he wouldn’t do it. You know, he’s like, it’s like, he’s like, we’re doing straight news. Like, we’re actually doing local news. We, where we where we care about this stuff.
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    0:26:33

    But I so I asked him about the mayor situation. And he’s like, I watched the video. I I assume maybe our mayor said something stupid when I seeing, like, the thing going around, like, on on social media, we have a DEA mayor, like, with the picture of him. And then I watched the video of the press conference, and it was like a totally normal press conference. Like, they just they’re just making fun of him because he’s black.
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    0:26:52

    Like, it’s like nothing. It’s like they’re just making a racist joke about the Baltimore mayor. Like, there’s nothing. There’s no substance to it. So I mean, you know, I I just, like, that is, like, and then the attacks on on Pete, you know, the anti gay attacks on Pete, the attacks with the info.
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    0:27:08

    Like, Nancy Mace does the high class version of this. Right? Okay. Nancy Mace is like, here’s here’s the sophisticated version. Like, we’re I’m gonna bridge down.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:17

    That means Biden blame bad because Biden did infrastructure. And when it’s like, well, no. Obviously, If anything, the opposite is true, even in this case, I I don’t it’s not like the Frances’s got a key bridge needed to be fixed. It was like that that. Have you seen, like, the pictures of the ship, the ship Like, this ship is huge.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:34

    It’s, like, unbelievable. I, you know, it’s, like, you, there, you could have built a superman bridge. And if a ship of this size, like, when you look at it from the side angle rather than the front and go, you’re like, oh my god. Can I just give you
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    0:27:45

    a sense of scale here,
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    0:27:46

    Tim, please?
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    0:27:47

    So I this is a thing that I’ve been, you know, batting about with some physics nerds
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    0:27:51

    I love you of physics nerds in your life.
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    0:27:53

    To give people a sense who, you know, were like, well, why did the bridge just collapse when the ship hit it? So Again, this is just back of the envelope math. Right? We don’t know exactly how heavy the ship was because the load was carrying, but back of the envelope. If we are dealing with a tanker that’s around a hundred seventy five thousand tons, and it’s moving at nine miles an hour, And then its deceleration goes from nine miles an hour to which is, you know, like a little bit faster than walking pace.
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    0:28:24

    Goes over a hundred feet. Right? And so it goes, you’d start slowing down, then at a hundred feet, it’s zero. The energy equivalent, because remember remember your high school physics guys, f equals MA, force equals mass times acceleration. The energy released
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    0:28:38

    To get a d in high school physics, just in case you’re wondering.
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    0:28:41

    It’s like ten five thousand pound bunker buster bombs going off. Okay. So it’s like the amount of energy in something that massive being released as it comes from a stop is is mind boggling. And there is no bridge alive, which can survive this. You know, this is, you know, this is why they’re there are things which they have built to try to defeat, you know, ships because bridge collapses are a thing that happen every once in a while with ships.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:09

    But the problem is you gotta keep designing and then installing, you know, bigger counter measures as the container ships get bigger. And container ships have gotten bigger and bigger over
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    0:29:18

    the course. And and you also have to remember that in nineteen seventy seven, they hired woke engineers Right. And they didn’t they didn’t hire legitimate engineers. They just they just hired them based
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:27

    on their skin and gender identity. Dance majors.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:30

    Yeah. That they made the base bridge. And that was another problem. Had they hired a couple good strong white guys. The bridge might have survived.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:37

    Hopefully, some good strong white guys without no call, fancy college degrees. Just gotten cleanest von Ivermectin to sort of sit down there and draw up what their Deirdong bridge should look like. That would have been good.
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    0:29:49

    I I feel like Tim has touched on, like, a theme that we could actually spin into some pieces and stuff. That, woke anachronism. This has gotta be a regular thing, right, where people are, like, talking about something that happened before the era of of deI and they’re blaming us.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:02

    This is true about the pilots, right, too. It’s like, oh, that deI has created these woke pilots that are now crashing the planes. And it’s like, I I mean, the average pilot has been what? You know, probably twenty, thirty years. And then, you know, and the whole thing is in I could take a long time to become certified, to become a pilot.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:19

    And, like, when did the when did the woke training start?
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    0:30:22

    Right. This is one of my one of my don’t wanna say favorite topics, but a topic I keep thinking about about bigotry. Like, okay, bigotry is bad for lots of reasons. It’s evil. It’s hurtful and all that stuff.
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    0:30:33

    But It’s also incredibly lazy. Like, people this is what people what bigots do is whatever happens a bridge collapses, they’re like, okay. What are my priors? I don’t like black people. So it’s the mayor’s fault of somehow.
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    0:30:46

    Right? Don’t like gay people, so I’m against the secretary. I’m gonna blame this on the secretary of transportation. I don’t know what else they’re gonna come up with. But, like, that’s just their go to.
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    0:30:53

    And they don’t need to re they don’t need to do the physics, you know. They gotta d in physics too, right, except instead of, like, actually trying to figure out what happened here. It’s just like gay, black, whatever.
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    0:31:03

    More Muslim. Like, we got Sarah Longwell. She was on sixty minutes. She’s an incredible main news journalist. Just wanna make sure you saw that she was on Steve Bannon’s podcast saying that this is a terrorist attack that they’re covering up.
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    0:33:30

    It’s time to find your corner office comfort. Alright. So we got some news. Out in the DEA world of, of the daily wire. They have parted ways with Candace Owens, who is out out and gonna have to just pour yourself up their bootstraps and start over again and I hope that gal can make it happen.
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    0:33:53

    Tim, you as the foremost Owenologist at the Bulwark?
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    0:33:58

    I’m devastated. And here’s why because I, like, I need to, at least until Candice gets back up in our feet. And, I need a new podcast. I am, my, my weekly fix of Candice, like, last yesterday, I was at the end of my podcast kind of a queue, and I looked down, and I was like, there’s no candice here. I can’t do another hour of bandwidth.
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    0:34:18

    I can only do one hour of bandwidth in a any more than that is too much. But some people have suggested to me Patrick bet David. So maybe look out for a Patrick bet David feature coming through. Ahead of the game on where you guys are at on where where the where the con through the Secret Podcast world is. He was a big deal at TPOSA this year.
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    0:34:35

    Weird guy. But so, yeah, Candice is out. It’s sad for me. Probably happy for her because I think she’s gonna really be able to let her freak flag fly. I mean, she only did blood libel against Jews, like, I don’t know, like, six, seven dozen times, before Ben finally can’t hurt, you know, and you could tell I thought
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    0:34:54

    they were in favor of free speech over there. Yeah.
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    0:34:56

    You can tell there’s some areas where she didn’t she wanted to go, but she felt a little bit know, she she felt like there were some limits. Like the man had had the boot on her neck because, you know, if you looked at her likes, she was really kind of going a little bit deeper into Hitler Apologia in her in her likes than she was in her actual comments. And so I think Candice is really ready to let loose
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:16

    She’s going to Twitter. Right? This is the this is Elon’s next big get. I assume.
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    0:35:20

    I’m sure. I’m sure. I she’ll go to the salon. She’ll do great. Because she unlike these other nerds, you know, she does, she does, like, conservative conspiratorial political talk and then kinda just mixes it in with, like, little pro tips for moms who have twins and, like, the best, you know, the best strollers to get and then she’ll, like, mix that in with, like, assessing the, you know, having a take on the Beyonce record and how Where was
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:48

    she on the Kate Middleton stuff? Did she do you have conspiracy on that too?
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    0:35:52

    Yeah. Yeah. She had deep thoughts on that. Oh, and then there was the French Macron’s wife, the Russian propaganda that Macron’s wife was actually a man. She was deep on that.
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    0:36:00

    So, you know, you get a lot. With Candice, you get a lot. Right? You’re not just a gun shapiro. You’re getting boring.
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    0:36:05

    One is the Senate doing today. You know, Candice is really expanding the aperture. And so, she’ll do fine. She was canceled. Over there.
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    0:36:14

    And I do I I get it. People are like, well, that’s not really free speech. And it’s like, the the problem is their own standard. By the by the Ben Shapiro standard. Free speech’s ability to speak on whatever platform and whatever place you want.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:28

    Right. Like, Ben Shapiro’s free speech standard is not government limiting speech. Right. His standard is I should be able to go to Berkeley and and the if the students, even if the students don’t want me to come, I should be able to go there and get paid by Berkeley to go there and speak. And if they are trying to protest that, they’re anti free speech.
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    0:36:45

    That’s a Ventura Bureau standard. His standard is if a private company, Twitter, decides that they do not wanna have white nationalism or, they don’t wanna have, you know, COVID misinformation on their form and they kick people off because of that. That is a violation of free speech. Right? That they that that every human has a right to be on every private company’s platform and and speak falsehoods, speak hate speech, and that that should not be infringed upon.
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    0:37:14

    And that is fundamental. And so using his own standard, I do believe he’s violated free speech. He’s not actually violated free speech, obviously. Somebody should be able to fire people if they do if they if they repeatedly do anti Semitic stuff. Like, that that should be a fireable offense.
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    0:37:30

    How repeated the private, a private company? You know, every other week or so, every other week or so, you know, it was like, you know, she had set she had she had a lot of warnings, a lot of warnings. You know, she was like she was bringing out a lot of money. And so, you know, the daily wire guys are like looking at the ledger, they’re like, oh, you know, we got an extra hundred thousand this month. Is that worth a few anti Semitic tweets?
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    0:37:52

    Is that, maybe maybe maybe finally eventually they’re like, no, okay. We’re making enough money into this. So they now have a very great lineup of just transphobes and conspiracists and and mega apologists, anti gay. So, it’s a it’s a straight line up there. No more anti semites.
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    0:38:14

    Just they’re just, bigoted against people that it’s approved to be bigoted against. So that’s cool.
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    0:38:19

    Well, where are you on free speech? Are you pro? Because I’m I’m anti. I’m an anti free speech guy.
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    0:38:25

    I I was gonna I I have a nerdy question about free speech, but then I also wanted to say something else. The nerdy question is sort of following up on what Tim said, because I don’t know the details here. Like Berkeley is a public university. Right? So, like, that I don’t I don’t know if Shapiro actually is against private companies being able to exercise their own cancellations.
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    0:38:44

    I do believe so. I I was using an example, and I think that Ben created fake outrage about him being protests against at many universities private.
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    0:38:51

    Okay.
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    0:38:52

    Public religious, non religious.
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    0:38:54

    Anybody being mean to me is that that that’s a that’s a cancel culture. So the the the
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    0:38:59

    the point
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    0:38:59

    that I wanted to make about about about Candice is. And I I don’t know her. All I know about Candice, I’ve learned from reading Tim Miller. So I’ve very, you know, I’ve that much.
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    0:39:08

    You’re brief then.
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    0:39:09

    Okay. But I wanted to bring up another name here as a trajectory and ask about her. The name is Tucker Carlson. Now I’m just a center left guy, and I watch this crazy stuff like on the right. And I’m I watched Tucker Carlson on Fox News, and I thought, that’s pretty nuts.
  • Speaker 3
    0:39:25

    It’s pretty out there. I’ll be all the, you know, Zelensky in a tracksuit, crazy stuff. But he’s in he’s on Fox. You fire Tucker Carlson from Fox. He goes to twin.
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    0:39:36

    He and now now he doesn’t have whatever institutional Ron DeSantis there were at Fox, and he’s crazier still. So my question about Candice is, was the anti Semitism and other nonsense that we got from her as part of the daily wire, was was that actually a constrained version of her. And now that she’s free of it, is she gonna be even more nuts?
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    0:39:59

    Yeah. I mean, she was very modestly constrained. So I would say that I don’t know how much more nuts she can really get. I mean, she was she was dabbling in pretty much the whole deal. I mean, she went full Vivic on, it’s okay to ask questions about nine eleven.
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    0:40:12

    And, you know, again, she was she was not fired for this in the same week that she was fired for the anti semitic, likes and and comments on her podcast. She had multiple shows dedicated to Rajit Macron being a man. Multiple shows. It wasn’t like, that wasn’t just like a side comment. You know, it’s like, oh, we’re, you know, we’re talking about NATO.
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    0:40:34

    You know, we’re talking about print policy. And then she’s I don’t really like how much Macron decided with Zelensky by the lot, by the way, his wife. I’m pretty sure he’s actually a secret man. And I, you know, but I I think that the weapons that he’s used gave It wasn’t like that. It was like, no.
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    0:40:49

    Today’s episode is about how BRAjeet Macron is actually a man. And then on, like, Thursday, it’s like today’s episode is about the backlash against Monday’s episode where I said Bridgette Macron was actually a man. So that didn’t she wasn’t constrained from doing that. So I I don’t know how much crazier she could actually get. An interesting subplot of this.
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    0:41:10

    I don’t know if you guys caught this. I just I love being able to report from what’s really happening out there. In in the Magamedia, is a big infighting after she was fired. Because I I afraid exactly how the run of show went, but Candace, you know, kind of claimed that she was fired because she was saying Christ is king. And, and, and there were some, some Jews who were mad about that.
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    0:41:37

    You know, because they were saying that if Christ is king, that me that that is a anti semitic dog was, she was doing way more antisemitic stuff like this, but when she was doing a victim thing, she was like, that’s what they’re really mad about because they and then and then, I guess, Anne Klayvent, one of the other daily wire people went on and said, actually kind of depending on the context that you say Christ is king in, Christ’s king could be really anti Semitic. And then the Nick Fuentes guys, the Grouper’s jumped on that and came to Candice’s, defense and was like, no, saying Christ is king is good, and everybody in Magaworld should say Christ is king. And if you don’t say Christ is king, you’re not a part of a true And so there’s just there’s been like a very intense Is
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    0:42:16

    he the king of the Jews? You say he is.
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    0:42:18

    Yeah. Exactly. So there’s been a very intense food fight going on in world. And if you just wanna kinda go down a rabbit hole and just do, like, three hours of whether crisis can use anti semitic or not, there’s a lot of content out there for you on that this week.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:31

    It’s amazing. You know, these things aren’t all related and yet in my mind, they’re totally linked. Is that Donald Trump is finally Hawking Bibles they’re not trump reliable.
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    0:42:43

    That’s it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:44

    Trump bibles, which is a little weird. They’re Lee Greenwood. God bless the USA Bibles. I think
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    0:42:51

    I did not know Lee Greenwood was alive until this week. I do have to say That was a fun fact for me this week. Lee Green or what is with us. I thought he was Is he? He’s alive.
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    0:43:00

    There are pictures of Trump with Greenwood on the Bible. I didn’t I thought
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    0:43:03

    I’m so glad to
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    0:43:04

    hear that. No surprising fact.
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    0:43:05

    Honestly, I think Trump could’ve could’ve moved more units if they had just been the Trump Bible, but that’s okay. Maybe Maybe that’ll be the super double rare bonus collection that they’ll do. I care about religion. I think more than more than you guys do, like religion in its place in American society, and I have watched the Catholic churches encounter with the trump years and been really, really discouraged by it because the Catholics are basically facing the same the same test that was put to the evangelicals beginning in the nineteen eighties and I just assume that my my people, the papists would pass this test with flying colors, they have not. It’s been it’s been not great.
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    0:43:48

    And the the the real problem with it is people, especially priests, not all priests, but but many priests, many of the younger priests come in and just decide that the American politics is way more important than theology or anything else. I mean, like, the politics is the driver of everything. And then all the the Catholic stuff gets sublimated to it. So it’s American Catholicism, more than it’s, you know, the Roman Catholic church in America. And, so stuff like this Bible, which is like putting the constitution and the declaration of independence and the Gettysburg address, all of which very fine things.
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    0:44:29

    You know, in with the Bible, it just seems to me like the wrong, you know, you render under Caesar what is Caesar’s, and then I’m to to the lord. What what is the lord? I I don’t know. Am I am I being Wait.
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    0:44:42

    Hold on a minute. Is trump Caesar or is trump the lord? Both. That’s good. Okay.
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    0:44:46

    That’s why you have to render everything at that trial.
  • Speaker 3
    0:44:48

    That’ll that’s just a that’s an obsolete distinction. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:50

    Okay. Yeah. Well, why don’t you take this one?
  • Speaker 3
    0:44:53

    First of all, does this does this Bible, it has the American founding documents mixed in with the scripture. Right? But it does it have the text of the of the National Anthem in the the star spangled banner.
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    0:45:04

    I believe so. I believe it has the text of the Lee Greenwood song in it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:07

    The the Greenwood song is in there. So because I was gonna say an honor Francis Scott Key who’s Britney.
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:11

    The alternate national anthem. The alternate alternate. There’s two alternate national anthems now. The Glee Greenwood song and the and the pris the prison choir.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:20

    And I think it’s a doubly tragic that it was the Francis Scott Keybridge that went down because he was after all the lyricist for the j six choir. Which, of course, is a heavenly body. That’s true.
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:30

    You think they’d wanna honor him.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:32

    Right. I wanna pick up, though, JBL on what you said about religion. So People, like me, who were not Republicans, are, you know, think Trumpism is crazy and Trump is nuts and everything, but it’s not personal to us the way it is for the never trumpers. For the never trumpers, it was like, no. This was our party that got desecrated and destroyed.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:53

    Right? It’s much more personal. I think that Trump’s abuse of Christianity is very similar for genuine Christians. Like, to me, I’m looking at the outside, and I’m Well, this is gross, but there’s been a lot of gross stuff going on in Christianity over the centuries. And there are a lot of people more secular than me and more anti Christian who were, like, you know, it’s Christ of fascism.
  • Speaker 3
    0:46:11

    It’s, you know, Christian nationalism. But if you’re actually a sincere Christian, this is way more personal because this is your faith. Right, that’s being hijacked and destroyed and debased by this guy and everybody who goes with him. And so, I mean, Tim, you were you were joking about, you know, Trump is king, but that that sure looks like a lot of people who who used to worship Jesus now worship the opposite of Jesus. And for people who genuinely follow Jesus, and I I would count myself as somebody who are.
  • Speaker 3
    0:46:40

    I’m not Christian, but I think Jesus is a beautiful moral model for everyone. And it is gross. To watch people who said they believe in that, follow someone who is literally the antithesis of it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:51

    Yeah. Here’s kind of a problem with that. Analysis, Will Saletan analysis might be right, but the, I think, the darkest part of that analysis, if you think about it. So the never trumpers in this Sarah Longwell. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:02

    The people who were most offended and turned on Trump within their Republican party were, what, four percent? Maybe might be able to call us eight, but we’re really the people who are actually offended, you know, there might be another, there’s any another couple of percent that were that didn’t dig it, but like the people that were mad, like you’re saying, that were genuine and mad, we were about four percent. And that’s that was disappointing to me. I have to say. And it was something that that that left me in a pretty, in a pretty bad place for a little while to see that there were so few of me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:29

    But it’s just a political party. Right? Like at the end of the day, it’s just a political party, whatever. People have different views, people have different things. You can have other political parties, time change, the wigs come and go.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:38

    You know, religion is a different animal, and it seems to me that the ratios of is about the same. And that’s kind of the problem. Right? Like, it is not as if there is a massive. I mean, it’s more than four percent, right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:54

    But it’s not as if that there’s a massive humanity backlash to the Trump desecration of the Bible and their faith. I mean, there there’s some slash. Like, there’s some. Like, there is
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:07

    A little bit. The cat more in Catholic world than in Protestant World.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:10

    Sure. Yeah. More and
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:11

    this is why I was gonna correct Will.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:13

    I am
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:13

    I am not a Christian. I’m Catholic.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:15

    Good. Same.
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:15

    And this is a Catholic joke. I’m gonna get some will
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:18

    just I do I do I do get that. I get that. And we also don’t know what’s in the Bible as Catholic. So I it’s hard for you to, like, go
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:23

    We just let the priest talk at us in Latin. We don’t need to understand William page.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:27

    But oh, so
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:28

    He believes much more intelligible than me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:30

    I see that some of this, like, you to VL, like, through my through my Catholic family. And so I, you know, we’re not maybe a representative sample, but I just kinda look at everybody. We got a big Catholic family. Just look at all of it and, Yeah. Sure.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:42

    There’s a there’s a percentage that has said, no, this is gross. I’m gonna, you know, look for something that that feels a little bit more authentic. There’s a percentage. It’s like not political that’s still just doing their Sunday church thing and not really thinking about this. But, like, that’s pretty significant.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:58

    Number that’s like, no. Not only am I not offended about this, but I’m like, hell yeah. Hell yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:03

    Totally. Give
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:04

    it to me more.
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:05

    But we have the Catholics have one big thing
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:07

    in their favor in terms of resisting the manga stuff,
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:07

    which the magas have really, especially the evangelical Magas. They they haven’t quite realized yet. Catholics really love the indigent. Right? This is the there’s a huge thing in, like, Catholic, social justice, tradition, and theory about, you know, feeding the the hungry and clothing the naked and welcoming the homeless and the migrant.
  • Speaker 2
    0:49:33

    The value in every life, the elderly, like having, you know. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:36

    Yeah. Not, you know, like, the Catholics are never gonna say, well, you know what? You gotta go shopping to to prop up Donald Trump’s economy even if it means dying. Most Catholics aren’t gonna say But, so we saw a little bit of there was a piece piece out yesterday, I guess, about Catholic charities starting to receive death threats and abuse and vandalism because of the work they do trying to care for for migrants. And when Maga starts coughting on to the fact that, you know, Catholics like Brown people who come to America.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:10

    I think that might clear them on us. So fingers crossed guys. Fingers crossed that they break up with the Catholics before the Catholics go in with them.
  • Speaker 3
    0:50:18

    That is the most hopeful thing anyone has said to me. I mean, I’m sorry. It’s awful, but, like, But the idea that that Catholics could be, I I had not until this moment thought that in this election, Catholics could be a pivotal group, but now I’m thinking about it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:29

    I am hopeful for that, but not. Optimistic. I I will just say one more thing on the Trump video with the with the with the religion. And and there there’s been several examples of this, but, like, If we were in the year two thousand and five and had Saturday night live, done a skit. Where it was like, hey, George, here’s the George w Bush Bible, and they did a skip that was just the the trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:54

    What the Trump video with Lee Greenwood, but it’s not Trump. It’s George Bush. They’re selling a sixty dollar Bible. Like, the response on Fox and among the national review and among candidates would have just been apoplectic. You Liberals don’t understand us.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:11

    You don’t get it. You’re this is sacrilegious. This is this is liberal brain poisoning. This is just Hollywood doesn’t realize that that there are people out here in real America who have genuine beliefs and love our country and love the Bible. And we would never do anything like this, and this is a fucking disgusting spoof.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:31

    That would have been an entire Fox and Friends segment, and and Trump now does the exact thing that the Liberals would have spoofed. And and people are like, yeah. Cool. Yeah. Give me sixty bucks, you said?
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:42

    Sixty. Maybe maybe I can give you a little tip.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:45

    It’s the law of merited impossibility. Right? They say this this thing that you’re talking about couldn’t possibly happen and you’re a bigot for saying it. And then it happens and they say, you’re damn right. It’s about time.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:58

    That’s that’s how it is.
  • Speaker 3
    0:52:00

    Love me. Love my idolatry. Yep.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:02

    Alright, guys. Good show, long show. Next week, Sarah will be here, but I won’t. And Oh, don’t tell people that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:10

    Cut that out special. Don’t tell them I’m such a draw. They’ll huge, you know, they just work. The numbers will be way down next week. Alright.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:19

    Guys, have a good week. We’ll see you next time.
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