James Carville: Mock Him

Hello. Welcome to the Secret Podcast. I’m Tim Miller. It’s a happy Marty GRA Day here in New Orleans. We’ve got the appropriate guest from Marty Graw as you might imagine.

But we have a little bit of news. So tonight, we have the New York three special election. It’s the George Santosh seat, a former Democratic congressman, Tom Moazi is running against a unknown Republican Mossi Pillip, who, Joe Pernicone wrote about in his press pass newsletter recently, which we should check out. She is kind of mega kind of a just blank slate has not been pinned down on a lot of issues. But Democrats have done really well in special elections.

It’s something that, we’re gonna talk to James Carmel about. Other big news last night was The Ukraine Israel, Taiwan National Security bill passed seventy to twenty nine in the senate, forty eight Democratic votes, twenty two Republican votes. And this is big because we get to the house next where, Mike Johnson has said that he will not bring this up, but, his majority is so slim. There are some creative ways around this. And, that’s something that we’re gonna be talking about over.

The next few weeks. And I guess I’m gonna say in the words of dumb and dumber, we’re saying there’s a chance. There’s a chance for the Ukraine Israel, Taiwan bill. Which would be super important and buy a lot of time for our friends, particularly in Ukraine. Alright.

So we’ve got a good one ahead of you. Unfortunately, this is a podcast, so we do not have closed captioning. So you might wanna put it at point seven five speed, just to make sure you’re keeping up with all of the gems. The James Carville is dropping rapid fire. It is, gonna be fun.

We will see you back here tomorrow for a more sober minded podcast on Ash Wednesday, up next James Carmel. But first, my buddies at Galactic with a little carnival music. Hello, and welcome to the Bulwark Podcast. Those are my pals at Galactic. It’s Marty Grudez, obviously, I got James Carville.

James, thanks so much for doing it.

You know, Tim Goodfella and you all lean in and Tiger fan. Can you say no?

We gotta do it.

Why it follows my fashion trends? Okay. I didn’t know it was a trend. You

you know, what everybody was sending me this week I wanna start with this. So I wore the, you know, I I guess it’s, like, the basic the basic Ken Mardi gras shirt. You know, it’s the rugby shirt with the Mardi gras colors. I wore it on TV. To be instructed, and everybody sends me this clip where you’re wearing it from the wall room.

I just wanna let’s just play it for him real quick.

It’s a simple document outside of a a person’s love, the most sacred thing that they can give is their labor. And somehow or another along the way, we tend to forget that. And labor is a very precious thing that you have. And anytime that you can combine, label with love, you’ve made a merger.

James, you’re talking about the love and the labor. Are you and it seems like you’re feeling that right now. You’ve got this YouTube page. You are out there. You are talking about young men’s sexual frustration.

You’re talking about Donald Trump having syphilis. You’re talking about how we need to talk about how he stinks. Talk to me about how you’re uniting your labor and your love right now in this phase of your career.

Well, for, sixteen years, I taught once a week. And it did help focus me. So I don’t teach it anymore because just too much trouble and I’m on the road a lot. So I started doing these YouTube videos, and it’s kinda therapeutic. And it gives you a a a little time to explain what you’re trying to say.

And I try to do it as much as I can. You know, with humans, a kind of backdrop, if you will, but to try to explain to people just how screwed up things are in the country. It just brought up uniquely I don’t know what kind of character Donald Trump is, but I I’m gotten her agitated that can quite fit him yet, but I’m struggling to him. I’m struck

Well, you’re not struggling that much. I mean, I I liked I don’t know if it was your latest. One of your recent videos, you went on a rant, I don’t completely agree with that basically talked about what we’ve been doing in countering Trump is not really working. Right. I guess my my counter to that is like, well, I mean, he’s a one election in eight years, but but he’s still around.

So it’s not working as well as we’d hoped. I I guess we could agree on that. And the case that you went forth is you’re watching animal house and you decided you tell the people. What have you decided we need to start doing?

So you’re right. But he stays at the kind of same level.

Yeah.

Are you actually went from forty six to forty seven between two thousand sixteen and two thousand seventeen, which is kinda the same thing. And we tried everything. You know, we tried his policy of hypocrisy, his criminality, his tritory attitude toward women that his deadbeat didn’t pay bills. So he’s gonna say if Russia can bomb somebody that doesn’t pay that NATO bill. This guy can’t pay cash with a cosigner.

Okay. It is life.

He doesn’t pay his plumber. He doesn’t pay anybody.

Don’t pay anybody. Some my point is he’s at a level, but it doesn’t get any worse actually in the head to head. He’s doing slightly better. And we’ve thought everything at him, and so as an animal also was watching it, and they said, what’s called for here? Is a really futile and stupid gesture.

And the guy says, yeah, we just the guys to do it. And I think that by mocking him, in making fun of him over a period of time that a lot of his supporters invested in him is just sort of flawed sent by god King Cyrus, king David, kind of figure. And my point is is King Cyrus King Davidide knowledge didn’t Syphilis that didn’t shit the diapers. I think it’s, so much of this is theological. I really do think so much of his supporters, he’s viewed as a somewhat theological figure as much as a political figure.

Yes. I will also like to hear your little bit about a multiple choice question about the last year, Trump saw his dick. I appreciated that. I do wanna get back to the NATO part in the foreign policy and do a little serious talk. But just while we’re talking strategy, Mike Johnson, this guy, and you’ve done a lot on him.

Talk about theological Christian nationalism. I’ve been thinking about this. I I know that this is counter intuitive in some ways. Since, like, Trump is the bigger figure, and Trump has all these flaws, like, how could being tied to Mike Johnson hurt Trump? But I’ve started to develop a theory that I think that it like, in the same way that back when I was a Republican, we used to tie everybody to all year people to Nancy Pelosi, San Francisco values, you know.

Mike Johnson is a Christian nationalist weirdo, and you’ve, like, leaned into as well. He’s fucking weird. Like, nobody thinks trump. Is that much of a zealot, right, on these issues. Alright.

And

so, like, I think there are a lot of these young men. You talk about young Bulwark men, young white men listening to Joe rogan at the Avan, the, like, you know, kinda think it’s funny to be for Trump. Is there not a way that we could start a campaign advertising to those people about how Mike Johnson is gonna be inside their bedroom monitoring their porn usage. If did Republicans win everything next year, might that not be more useful at this point than going after Trump?

Well, you have to explain to people what Christian Jonathan Last, and they said, well, James. You have Christian. Okay. You know, you’re you’re at a flag. You know, you’re Christian nationalist.

I said, no. No. This is and and you gotta explain who these people are. And they they’re everywhere. Alright.

And it’s a weird. I mean, like, Jesus gave the constitution to James Madison, and the first amendment is only to add to protect Christians. I mean, it’s But they have money and Trump gets elected. He’s gonna turn the government over to him. They’re gonna sit down and make a deal.

You steal whatever you want, Okay. You bash all the power you are Right. And we’re gonna fill the government up. And the answer is, well, that’s never gonna get a majority of the votes. What we know is you don’t even need a majority.

You really don’t need with all these multiple candidates. You know, remember, I said Hitler got thirty three percent. They said, well, James, you can’t compare anything to hit. Was some supposed to forget that nineteen thirty three to nineteen forty five ever existed? There’s no lessons to learn there.

There’s nothing to remember. We just thought of eradicate that, erase that, write it out from history. And I don’t think you can do that. And the lesson is you don’t meet close to a majority. Look at to a Supreme Court.

For sure, Clarence Thomas is, I don’t know. Leto, Barrett, maybe, you know, but it’s just so crazy and so few people understand it. And Johnson is he’s all embedded in that crazy crap. And it came through woody Jenkins. It came through Tony Perkins.

It came through Paul Pressler, a great and the board that you studied and look at it, The more you talk, this sounds weird. People gonna think I’m goddamn crazy, but it’s a real threat. It’s a real real ass threat.

It is a real threat. We’ve done well. There’s not a whole lot of juice left in the orange and the college educated suburban crowd. Right? There’s a few more people that we can win over freaked out by January six.

And we gotta still continue to push. I always talk about the husbands of the wives that have been wagging their finger at them for eight years. Like, we can pull a couple more of those college educated white guys reading the Wall Street Journal over. But getting into the non college number, either working class whites or working class voters of color, like, the Trump is gonna be a dictator thing whatever reason, it’s not scaring them. And that’s why I was interested in your strategy about mocking him.

I I think that could work. And I also think that in some ways, Mike Johnson scares them more. Right? Like, this Christian National stuff, right? Like, and that’s why Doug Masteriano in Pennsylvania.

Right.

You know, ran way below the Trump number. Pennsylvania. Because it’s like that weirdo Christian National stuff is way scarred in his working class voters than kind of our high minded talk about liberal democracy, which I care about. And I think that’s the play with regards to Johnson.

So dirt our time on opposing parties, there was a kinda unwritten rule. Children are not combatants. Right. In any kind of way, yeah, you can put it in a ad and you’re walking through the fall leaves with king Timoe and you know, you throw a stick and that that’s fine. And you can have, you know, Ashley and Jason, whatever you got.

Then, you know, your daughter, no one would like talk about your daughter, like, publicly or say anything, because that’s different persons who cares in my children the same way. He puts his children front and center He takes a thirteen year old girl and publicly puts her signing her purity pledge with him standing next to her. It the research shows that these females that do this, it messes them up.

Yeah.

Then he and the son, who’s seventeen, monitor to each other’s computers with something called covenant eyes to make sure that neither one is watching porn. And if he’s trying to keep that kid from jacking off, I’m gonna tell you, dude, it ain’t gonna work. You fight no. It’s about the world is over six million. Trying to do that.

I think more than six billion, but yeah.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. He has a weird, weird figure. He’s been shaped by weird people.

And that Bosha parish fundamental Christianity, and he said he talks to god all the time. Well, that god don’t know how to count. That god, the god of Ocean Parish from the Middleism can’t count to two eighteen. Now the South Louisiana all knowing the omnipotent god could count the infinite. But god has a lot of different people to a lot of different things, but The guy literally says everything I believe comes out to Bible.

I talk to god. And I think I believe it.

Yeah. Right.

I don’t think this is some kind of show, you know, Trump would be Vanjeth I think this guy is fundamentally deeply and profoundly. Screwed up. I do. And I and I think this weird brand of Christianity and Christian nationalism really informs who he is.

We gotta do a little news. It’s the three year anniversary of the vote to acquit Donald Trump. And to me, this is the date February thirteenth twenty twenty one that created all these fucking problems that we’re in, like honestly. Had ten more Republicans had the balls to do what they wanted to do and convicted him you know, we would have a relatively normal campaign right now between Ron DeSantis or someone like him who I don’t like and, you know, between Kamala Harris or somebody like her because I don’t know the Biden or Iran if you would have been convicted. Instead, we’re what we are, what we are.

And so Here we are last night in the Senate. I I feel like it’s a nice bookend to that. We have this vote about the aid for Ukraine and Israel and the senate passes that twenty two Republicans do the right thing, which is down from thirty nine, the last time they voted on it. So let’s move it the wrong direction. But Is there a way to navigate this world where we just have to rely on the Democrats being the response full ones every time.

And, you know, how can you, you know, I know you’re talking about a senate candidate’s, like, message in about how it’s, like, it’s these fucking guys fault. We’re in this situation.

So the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, who’s this? Republican voters driving Republicans politicians’ behavior.

Yep.

Alright. Rubio was not like a clown or he wasn’t anything like that as he came up through Florida politics and he got the senate. Okay? He was more conservative than I like, now he’s become a comical figure. And people say, why doesn’t Rubio, like, stand up?

Because Rubio is doing democracy. He’s exactly what the Reagan file Republican want him to do. The Reagan filed democrat does not really want Biden to run for reelection. They will vote for him But he’s not being pushed by public opinion. Rubio is being pushed by public opinion.

And there are just so many more weird people in this world than we originally thought. It’s really eye opening. There’s no path for a a gem bush kind of person. It’s done. It’s over.

In the Democrats, are a lot of things, but even like the ones that I don’t disagree with, like, the squad. I think their views are kinda naive and silly. But they’re not evil. I mean, they don’t wanna, like, bomb Jim Mark. Okay.

And most of them are genuinely held. I mean, this is the thing about why we rattle so much about Rubio. Right?

Right.

It’s like thirty nine Republicans voted for Ukraine aid two years ago. Twenty two did last night. Seventeen people didn’t change their minds. About the threat of Putin. Right?

Seventeen people just well, sixteen a couple of them lost, but umpteen people just folded to the demands of these voters who have been pushed off the deep end by, you know, being inside Tucker Carlson Media World, a hundred percent of the time.

I’m sure what they would tell you if you sit down and talk to them. Look, if I was the last vote, I would have voted for the aid. But, man, I go to the villages, and they quite clobber me.

Yeah. Man, I

don’t know, listen to that shit anymore about Tim. You know, and and I knew we had a cushion. I was just a free vote. I it there’s a difference between the thirty eighth vote and the fifty first vote. That’s all million miles in politics.

Yes. And I suspect that’s what he’d say, but I’ve watched him when he looked at it a little bit when he first ran for the Senate. And man, he’s was a impressive speaker, and he had a real way that he weaved his life’s narrative into what he believed. Yeah. I mean, he was a real star at what time.

Trump has made him into just the comical figure at all he is right now. So get into something you talked about earlier about the log down of the suburban females and their husbands. The Democrats or hemorrhaging males in particularly, to test this word, but males of color. Yeah. You know, you live in New Orleans.

If I went and there were, like, three black guys on a corner, which I spoke with Chaplin Slatch on that, it’s not the last side guy. And I said, hey, fellas, how are things in the community of color today? It’s just jive ass motherfucker talking about.

That’s a great point. Talk normal is a good advice. Generally.

Yeah. Yeah. And so you have these academics and these high end people that use words and tell these guys, are you working Oh, they changing tires in a tire shop in Kinter. But don’t watch football. Don’t drink beer.

Okay. Don’t do all of Don’t eat hamburgers. And like, it’s a bitch lecturing to me about, and it turns them off. And we’re losing a lot of black males, not because we wanna protect social security and Medicare. That’s not the reason we’re losing them.

We’re not losing them. Because they weren’t Medicaid. We’re losing them because you have these preachy ass people You’re like talking down to them and telling them they have to use a language that they don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Owing with band menthols or banning all this stuff. I agree with that. That’s why the Mike Johnson thing is more vulnerable. It’s not half of black guys, but, like, To some people, that’s the thing about the Trump versus Johnson thing. Right?

Johnson seems preaching weird. Trump doesn’t. Right? And like that is why if they feel like it’s liberal society, that is lecturing them, that Trump does seem a little bit like a counter to that, which is, obviously, he’s racist and fuck him and all Like, that’s the I think a reasonable perception.

Right. And Trump has a little bit of that man against the system. F. You you know, I don’t I don’t I don’t talk like other politicians. And they’re not like their parents or their grandparents that grew up and formed their political persona during the civil rights movement that, you know, saw the Democratic party be eviscerated in the south and the few whites that ever stood up for them were actually Democrats.

And they had this allegiance with these younger people, the younger males, and particularly, all they know is NPR lecturing to them. Or that ilk of communities of color, bipoc, l b g q q. I want a letter to alphabet. They’re talking about c a, tuneass. Good.

Everybody’s got a lot of of the alphabet. I don’t have more.

I just saw that with the plus. Feel like with the plus, we throw everybody in. That includes cone asses. That gets everybody. We count them all.

Okay. I got alright. I’ll get to plus. Alright. Okay.

You get the plus. We’ll put you in. Mike Johnson doesn’t get the plus.

No. Right.

It’s still Marty god day. Who knows what you got planned? Robert her. I gotta get your take on this on two sides of it. First, how should the Democrats message this report?

You were pretty aggressive going after her And I don’t know. I’ve been of two minds about that. It’s kind of like, does does that work? You know, it’s one thing when James Carvel is doing it when Democratic politicians are doing that. Does that kinda feel like hour grapes, or do you need to go on offense and and turn this guy into a partisan hack, but how should Democrats be handling per?

Let me start by asking you a question.

Yeah.

Who is the last democratic special or independent council you ever heard of?

Ken Star, wouldn’t he hit them?

No. Not at all. No. And that was we’re going back to nineteen nineteen. Now there’s no kind of thing going.

It is etched and marbled. In Washington. There shall be no democratic investigations. And because the Republicans say, well, if you have a democrat, we’re not gonna trust And the Democrats say, well, in order to be trusted, we have to have a republic. And it’s like, it this is all usarian catch twenty two shit.

Okay. You get you you you can’t even make any sense of it. So he writes your support. Of course, in Merrick Golan, of course, wants to show Washington how objective he is. And so by doing that, he thinks, you know, rent questions, law clerk.

And so we end up here. But what cracks me up about the Biden people, they send people out, and they say, I was in a meeting with Biden, and he looked fine to me. And well, I saw him on TV. He did not look fine to me. Oh, I’m gonna believe somebody saying, well, it was a meeting of historians, and they said Biden was really engaged.

It was going out. I see the guy somewhere between Cairo and Mexico City. And people see that. And you can’t erase that image from people’s minds. And they sent a lot of people I like and respect to the friends of mine to say, oh, no.

He’s he’s just fun. And then you see the visual and you say, no. He’s not. Bormal beliefs. You know, somebody went in a White House meeting and said, is questions for Chris?

Well, what I’m my line eyes or what? I’m actually watching.

You brought this up. I wanna circle back to her, but you brought this up. And so I wanted to play this you know, because we’ve been talking about this a little bit the last few days at the Bulwark. And, you know, I I’ve gotten some messages from some of our fans and listeners. They’re like, your Republican is showing.

You’re mentioning Joe Biden’s age. So I’ll I’ll I wanna just play a little clip from a guy that you might have heard of that’s not a former and who had who had an interesting take on this subject last night.

Now Democrats will say that any criticism like this, especially a Biden is unfair. Because you just don’t know Biden like they know Biden.

President Biden who I’ve been around numerous times just in this last year is sharp He’s focused. He’s bright. He is sharp intensely probing and detail oriented and focused. This is a man who is who is on top of his game, who knows what’s going on.

He’s smart. He’s on his game.

I was in almost every with the president. And the president was in front of and on top of it all, coordinating and directing leaders who are in charge of America’s national security, not to mention our allies around the globe.

Did anyone film that? Because if you’re If you’re telling us behind the scenes, he is sharp and full of energy and on top of it and really in control and leading, you should film that. That would be good to show to people instead of a TikTok where he goes We see he’s in charge. You see

Hi, James. So it is just reality. I mean, if John Stewart’s seeing it, it’s just reality. So what now? Like, what do you do?

How do you deal with it. It’s February thirteenth. We’ve got this asshole that wants to end the democracy on the other side. What does the Biden people do now?

What’s happening tonight? Well, I’m gonna be

at a Marty Grub party.

But New York three.

Exactly. Right. How do you feel about that? Tom Swazzi?

I talked to people and this, well, it was it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s and, you know, it’s gonna be bad weather and who knows what that’s gonna affect. I the insiders don’t know a hell of a lot more than outsiders to be frank with you, but I mean, I’ll text to post, text to d triple c, a text to this guy.

And It’s snowing, and Dems have done really well in kind of low turnout elections, recently. Yeah.

We haven’t lost an elections and stopped. Yep. But if the dim loses this, who’s a very good candidate, by the way.

Yeah.

In a district that Biden carried, it’ll set off a panic. It should set off a panic. And to say eighty five percent of a people think, buy this too low. I can’t say, well, we need to pivot to the real issues. Let’s talk about no.

His age is a real issue. You can’t pivot from it. You can’t distract from it. You can’t say, this is just Fox making this shit up, you know, it’s the caravan or it’s, you know, somebody going selfie stick. Yeah.

Selfie stick or bathroom. Who’s you, you know? It’s actually a legitimate issue that is on people’s minds in a huge, not plurality majority of Democrats. And you can’t wish it away. It’s not going anywhere.

Okay. So what do you do? And JBL wrote about this yesterday in the trial. You hang a lantern on it, you get him out there more, he jokes about it, like, or what else? What else do you do?

You just make fun of Trump and scare the shit out of people. That’s what you’re down to. You’re down to, like, If you don’t do this, this is the end of the constitution. And everybody says, I have a lot of friends. Oh, gotta have access, James.

If I got, you know, I got my you know, you hit us some reporters, you know, I gotta have access. It’s gonna be the United States Constitution Perin seventeen eighty nine dash twenty twenty seven perin died of access. If I say something, I’m gonna get cut out. If I say something, no one’s gonna return my call. If I say something, I I can’t get a judge.

If I say something, I can’t take my client to lunch at the White House. And I have to have access. And access is killing us. Now, unfortunately, I’m at a point in life, I’ll give a shit. A better state, you know.

It’s a bit yeah. I wouldn’t go if you invited, miss, too much trouble. I think I’m gonna go and get that fucking airplane or this. But that’s where we are. And so the Democrats have decided that we’re just gonna hold hands and drop off this cliff together.

And I’m like, I ain’t holding your hand, dude. You go at u job, but I’m gonna stay up here. It’s been remarkable to watch this, but I I do think if the Republican wins tonight, though, of course, the journalists keep covering it. The White House keeps getting mad about it, but it’s actually a real story. It’s not fake.

Yeah. We’ll see. I don’t know that that’s gonna be the shake up for you. I don’t

need it.

I think the Democrats, what did I like you said, they’ve won everything. Low turnout elections, we’ve had this flip.

Right.

Right? There’s there’s good analysis by friends at split ticket. Like, Biden is winning among people that have ever voted in a midterm or a special election by four Trump is winning with people that only show up in general elections by ten right now, and the latest New York Times pulls. I mean, that’s just a total flip of how things were when you were coming up, right, where the low lower light propensity voters would vote democrat. You know?

And so if you have a snowy special election, it’s probably gonna favor the dems.

So what democratic pollsters and Biden people are dealing with going forward is, well, first of all, James, no one has a fifty percent approval rating politics anymore. Which I think it counts true.

That’s true.

And Biden gets unusually high number of somewhat disapproved. So I’m looking at the latest NBC Heart poll, which is the gold standard of Democratic poll. And if you wanna shut an argument down, who took the poll, you’d say heart research, and everybody said, okay. We’re out of tech. See, he has a sixteen strong approval in a forty nine strong disapproval and a sixty disapproval.

Well, you’re only down to eleven percent. You start out with a forty nine strokes. Let’s say you’re getting one third of eleven. Well, that’s three point two. Okay.

What the Democrats of Facewood going into this cycle is a headwind unlike anything I’ve ever seen. And people are I don’t think they’re gonna change your mind. You know, if you’d if somebody you don’t know and as well, you you did the harris lawford race and you came back from being forty eight points down. Yeah. People didn’t know ours and reintroduced them, but they There ain’t no side.

I don’t know which it’s a mess. It’s

one of my favorite old McLaughlin Group Clips. They’re guessing who’s gonna be the VP and they’re going around. They’re shouting out names. Like, Harris Wofford, you know, as a young person, I was like, I’ve never heard of any of these people. Then that ended up being gore.

I guess if the republic comes to an end, like, you’re predicting we can do a walk down memory lane from nineteen ninety two together sometime. Okay. I wanna let you go soon. I just one last thing I wanna circle back to on her. The thing that worries me is is the reaction to this right now, if you’re the Democrats, you’re already seeing this from normal Republicans.

That, like, we shouldn’t follow the rules anymore either. Like, look at how Trump got away with this. If you’re the Democrats now, Merrick Garland has us in this situation where he’s pointing a Republican special counsel. He waited way too fucking long to indict trump. Like, isn’t the lesson going forward that all of this shit is crumbling and that the Democrats need to play by the same rules.

And is that too cynical? Like, when I look at things, I just I wanna James carvell’s take on that.

Golin is just somebody that craves approval from legal elites. And that’s just who he is. He’s one of these people that thinks, well, if I appoint a Republican, then the Republicans will like me better. That’s not gonna happen. So the question is, do we need to be as tough and just say what do you do?

Just take the page out of it. The truth of the matter is the average democratic voter would not allow that. It just wouldn’t. If a candidate just got up and said the craziest shit that Trump did, it just made numbers up. Actually, they would report it, and that would shake suburban college women up.

They go, well, you know, we just can’t go out in bed. My god, you just can’t go out. Well, I like that though. That’s not good for little Jeffrey. The soccer team is gonna you know, to send in the wrong thing.

That’s a good instinct, by the way. Yeah. But, yeah.

What never works is to do something to please them. Or think that that you can move principled conservative republics. You can’t. They’re not that many of them. Gets a infinitesimal number of people.

We’ve already gotten a lot of them, by the way. They’ve we’ve the most of the most of that infinitesimal number has already moved. Yeah. There’s one percent left.

Yes. And that’s where the old, you know, every every other word out of the Republican mouth was was Munich and appeasement. Alright? Well, the democratic party is its version of Munich and appeasement. And Mary Garland is the ultimate ephesia.

Till this day, he thinks that he can get them to like him. Or if he just shows how fair minded he is, he doesn’t open investigation. He points Alright. No democratic lawyers, because apparently there’s not there had been a democratic special counsel in this goddamn century And I always thought we had some pretty good lawyers on our side.

That was the stereotype. Alright, James. Last thing, I’m gonna let you go. Okay.

It’s

Marty Grande here. Alright. There’s so there’s no sexual frustration in New Orleans. Very little at least on on this Tuesday, February thirteenth. But I was very jealous when I got the clip texted to me, I often get James Carvel clips texted to me.

I’m like, this is my life goals to be held to you. Seventy nine?

Seventy nine.

Seventy nine to be seventy nine years old on CNN with John Berman talking about Well, let’s just listen to it.

I think most of these people are sexually inadequate, and they go for all this crazy stuff. And I don’t think it’s and it’s nothing strategic about something not stupid. It’s just real stupidity to to believe something like that.

James final thoughts on the sexual frustration of young Republican men, and if there’s anything we can do about it.

I actually believe it. Alright. In a lot of this is being driven by himself. You know, I said, I said, I went and asked some younger friends. I said, what what fuck is the himself?

And they said, what I mean? Did they in in voluntarily sell it? And I said, what’s that mean? Like, they can’t get late? Yeah.

Yeah. And that’s coming from people who see Kelsey and they see her. She’s obviously she grew up in Burkes County, Pennsylvania. I mean, I that’s That’s the is middle of America as you can get.

Taylor Swift too, man. Yeah.

Taylor Swift. Kelsey went to the University of Cincinnati. Yeah.

I

mean, that’s hardly it’s a great school. I don’t get me wrong. It saved that guy’s life to medical school, from the bills But that doesn’t screen cultural elitism or anything like that? No. I think that they see these young people there famed.

They have talent. They have money. They apparently are having sex. I don’t know. I’m not too sure, but I suspect

Looks like it.

Indications that I and I think these people just go into a jealous rage. I I really do. She’s thirty four. She looks like she’s very well raised. She sits with his mother.

Yeah. Right.

Or the Biden made great chocolate chip cookies. I mean, it’s it’s hardly some kind of a It it just cracks me when I was young boys, like a young teenager, and I got mad at somebody in Cornwall. In October days, he’s just goddamn stupid, daddy. He said, son, growing up in Louisiana and being mad at stupidity is like getting mad at grass. And I changed my entire attitude as opposed to being frustrated by fools.

I actually enjoy it. My wife would say come down to James he loves to hang out with these folks, and I do because I find him massively entertaining. I I really do. And I find smart people sometimes to be almost boring. But, like, tell me about this Taylor Smith and I was just gonna work out.

He said, you know, on them. It’s it depends over time. Okay. How many times? What’s the odds of that happening?

Alright. And then they block a extra point. Come on. That’s all rigged. That’s Roger Goodell as you know, people

in a bank. So crystal, Lloyd Austin,

everybody’s doing. Yes. And is opposed to like, oh, you fucking crazy. Yeah. Tell me more.

I wanna know.

Yeah. Let’s pick on this. I wanna know where you’re going with this theory. Alright, James. Well, hopefully, your enjoyment doesn’t lead to the end of our republic.

I wanna bring you back. Hope we can find some ways to reach these fools. I think we can reach the fools. I think that’s doable. Alright.

That is gonna be our challenge for the next nine months. We gotta win over some of the fool.

And we’ll get our herb steak lunch in the Moscow dinner and all of the great things. Alright.

Alright. Have a good one. Thank you so much. Alright, guys. That was the great James Carville.

Always giving you the no bullshit takes. We will be back here tomorrow. Look forward to seeing you then. The Secret Podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with audio engineering and editing by Jason Brown.