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Club Q: Another Tragedy

November 23, 2022
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Sarah, Tim and JVL unpack the Colorado Springs shooting that killed five people and injured 25 others.

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    We don’t really I wanna start by talking about the the shooting at Colorado Springs at the Gay Knight Club Club Q. Is that the name of of this place, Tim? Yeah. Yeah. Tim wrote a great piece about this for us.
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    Look, all the mass shootings are horrible, and they’re all horrible in their own ways. Like, you know, the school shootings are horrible, the shootings at malls are horrible. This thing is horrible. But the thing which which makes this particular incident enraging is what Tim wrote about today for us, which is that Colorado has a red flag law. The red flag law is if somebody is dangerous and mentally unstable, you can petition the court to have their guns taken away temporarily.
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    0:02:54

    So that they cannot be a danger to themselves and others. And there are two ways this can happen. It can be initiated by the police or it can be initiated by family members. And in Colorado Springs, that is part of El Paso County. And in El Paso County, the good old Republican boys, went rushing out before the law was even the ink was even dry on the law to say that they would absolutely rebel against it and the elected sheriff in El Paso County said that he would not go and be copscating anybody’s guns.
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    And so this guy who went and and shot and killed a whole bunch of people at at this night club was less than a year ago involved in a standoff with police in which he, I believe, had threatened to have a bomb and said he was going to kill. His mother told the police he was going to kill them. In tactical gear wearing tech. Click here. And somehow, this guy who look, I’m just gonna say it because it seems Germane was not shot and killed by police.
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    He was white. You know, by totally random coincidence. And Nolly was not shot and killed by police while in a standoff in which he threatens to kill the police. Was out on the street, and then the authorities had did not go and confiscate his guns, which seems like this is a textbook case. And, you know, I think we’re always very careful about not turning these moments into, like, moments for political gain.
  • Speaker 1
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    Like, that’s not what we do here. But it’s hard to look at this and not be really angry. Am Sarah, Tim’s gonna Tim is already wound up. I
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    know I can see him. I don’t know why you’re not just letting him go. Why would you why would
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    you hold him? Do you wanna I
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    just because I wanted to let you talk first, I wanted you to feel seen. So
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    the one thing I wanna say is, first of all, I do think these shootings are often political in the sense that we have every time I read about one, I I am sort of surprised. Like, if somebody came down from Mars and they were like, the issues that people were talking about in the last election around schools were like fake things about kids and litter boxes and transgender or whatever. When like we have a mass shooting problem in schools and had some going into the election cycle. These happen so frequently now that it becomes really frustrating just to see that nobody does anything about them. But the the one point I wanted to make, because I don’t have that much to add on this, is just I
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    think maybe people who are
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    reading about this story are like, don’t understand, like, this was a straight guy, a military guy who was there with, like, his wife and his kids because he was watching some of his kids, friends, and, like, a drag show, and they’re, like, but I don’t understand why would that happen? And I don’t think people understand what happens at gay bars. Like, there are straight people and gay people, and everyone’s hanging out, having fun, And, you know, it is not I I it is an attack on the LGBT community that feels pretty clear. But, like, the role that these bars play is, like, their entertainment spaces and fun spaces and it’s just that’s what people want out to do to have fun and it’s so sad. That it ended up this way.
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    This is particularly true. I wanna get back to the red flag thing, but since you brought this up. This is particularly true what you just said about the types of gathering that happened to gay bars in communities like Colorado Springs, like becomes a place where sort of progressive minded people go or, you know, we’re family members of people that are queer, gay, transgender, go. You know, and to support them. The club queue, we and Sarah have been to some gay bars like this.
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    We didn’t really route we’re auctioned at a gay bar in Topeka. One time. And they’re just just a different kind of energy. If you’re in a red state or a very red community, I caught a spring says, at one of these Mars, like, people keep using the word refuge, but, like, they do feel like this place. We’re like, oh, I can go here and, like, these are my people.
  • Speaker 2
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    And, like, my people might literally mean other gay people or might just be people that are supportive in a place where not everybody is supportive even in the year of roller twenty twenty two. And Club Q, I’d never been there. I almost went once. And the reason why I didn’t go was that the Broadmoor for a function, and it was pride. And I was like, god, it’d be fun to go to a pride thing in Colorado Springs.
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    And I googled where the place was, and it was it was called q. And it was, like, far. And I I I don’t wanna take an Uber thirty minutes. It wasn’t in downtown Colorado Springs. And this happens a lot in places like this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:25

    Right? Like, you don’t want the gay barter bead right there on the main drag where the other bars are. Right? And so Club Q is, like, often some strip mall, like, twenty five minutes away. And and I think that that’s important because it’s, like, reflective of, like, Sarah’s point of, like, what the types of, you know, what what the reason is for a place like this.
  • Speaker 2
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    So I I think that in a that in a lot of ways, it’s like a particularly fucking gross. I don’t know what the right word is, but but the but it it feels particularly painful that it happens at a place like this, not necessarily be less painful if it happened at the gay bar on the main gay drag in downtown Denver, but, like, there’s just there’s something that is a community kind of spirit that happens at these red in these red state or red city gay bars that is just that is just different and that sucks. That they feel like that’s not safe.
  • Speaker 1
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    Let’s, you know, whenever we have a a mass shooting, they immediately we look around to say, how can we have stopped this? Or or how can we stop this in future? And, you know, like, everybody wants to push up a policy button. And a lot of times, the argument is between left and right with the left wanting to push policy buttons and the right saying, look, the the the problem we already have all the policies. We have all the laws.
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    0:08:37

    In acting a new policy wouldn’t have changed anything. And here we We actually do have the law, and it was it was politicians who chose not to enforce it. Because the and I I just this is like placing this is placing the lives of their own constituents and their neighbors below some stupid abstract, voice signaling. And it’s really
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:05

    man, it’s tough to take. It’s almost like we’re in an experiment, you know, to just prove all of the stupid NRA talking points wrong. You know, I mean, like over this this past year, you know, you have the the good guy with the gun experiment, you know, talking point just obliterated in Yuvali, the same arguments you make about all these schools. Like, they had all these controls at the schools that people are are running. The problem is they’re running.
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    Right?
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    And now this to your point, this talking point that you see from even the more reasonable people that are pro gun, you know, talk that say, oh, we should be enforcing the laws on the books. Right? As we have them. Well, Colorado has this law in the books. Like and and El Paso decided to name itself a fucking sanctuary to troll the lips.
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    Like, just to be honest, this is what this is. And part of it is just gun fetishism. But part of it is a direct lip troll of because they don’t like sanctuary cities in immigration. Right? And that that’s a buzzword, and there’s some problems with sanctuary cities on immigration too.
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    But, like, in a literal sense, at least they’re being genuine. Saying, we’re trying to provide a sanctuary for immigrants. Like, this is a troll to say we are a sanctuary for people who wanna have guns. When it’s Right. You can have guns.
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    It’s illegal to have guns. It’s not hard to get guns in Colorado Springs. You don’t need a sanctuary. Like, what all this Waugh, these protective orders, the Red Fire gloves, were supposed to do, was prevent lunatics from getting guns. I guess the whole point of the law, and Jared Polis is not like a gun confiscation guy.
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    They asked him yesterday in the press conference, like, do you want to start getting rid of air fifteen? He’s like, no. He’s kind of a libertarian streak for a Democrat. Right? He passed a law that was a particularly narrow cited particularly narrow law, which is Like, for people that are a threat, we’re gonna get guns out of their hands.
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    And yet still, these fucking assholes, and I should have mentioned this in the article and I didn’t. So say it now. It’s it’s not just the sheriff. It’s not just the county commission, but it’s a district attorney down there. The sheriff, they’re rolling over into a new sheriff next year.
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    So he’s kind of off the hook. But their district attorney’s still there, and they should try to get rid of him. And he the district attorney’s like, I’m not even gonna file these, right, with the court. I’m gonna, you know, be a conscientious objector to this. And this is absurd.
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    It’s the most populous county in Colorado. They had zero
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    since all this past zero times. Didn’t Ron DeSantis fire an elected district attorney in Florida because the guy said that he would not at some future point enforce a law which had not yet passed. Like, this is I don’t know. Isn’t this a point of thing that that the Republicans all go on about? Out, hey, everybody’s got enforceable.
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    We’re the law and order party. Man, you go after all these liberal districts. There have been some fair complaints, by the way, about some progressive attorney’s not telling the lot. Right? And so, like, here it is.
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    This is a straight case. Like, this should be an open and cut dry cut and dry. It’s the thing that bothers me at this. You know, somebody’s trolling me on Twitter. Like, oh, you guys have gone full live.
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    I don’t know. I guess, maybe. But, like, this is eighty eighty one percent support in Colorado for this bill. Eighty one Fort eighteen. Like, you don’t have eighty one fourteen support for John L.
  • Speaker 2
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    A. In Colorado. Right? Nothing has eighty one fourteen support. Okay.
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    Eighty one fourteen support for this. It is it is right within the Republican conservative NRA talking points about enforcing existing laws. It’s going right at the Republican talking points about our DA’s shouldn’t be going around and not enforcing laws for public safety. It’s all of this shit. It’s just a mainstream.
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    This is what should be accepted and yet. Maybe I missed it. If I missed it, somebody can send it to me. I don’t even see Mitt Romney. I don’t see anybody today out there in the entire Republican establishment.
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    Any Republican elected officials. Maybe there’s one in Colorado. Even the mayor of Colorado Springs, this guy John Sothers, I know him a little bit. He’s a normal guy supposedly. I haven’t even seen him.
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    None of them say, hey, Maybe we should just force red flag laws and stop fucking attacking drag queens for no reason. Like, how about that? Like, these don’t seem like liberal action items. Right? To just say, how about we how about we make sure that lunatics can’t get AR fifteen’s after a court review?
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:04

    Not some autocrat taking guns, but after a police and a court review, make sure that lunatics get good air fifteen’s, and maybe just for good measure, let’s take, like, let’s take a quick holiday break from from demonizing Drag queens who are just trying to live their truth. How about that? Like, that like, they don’t those don’t seem like that far of asks, but there isn’t anybody that is willing to do it. I I haven’t heard anyone that has that has done anything beyond perfunctory thoughts and prayers. On
  • Speaker 1
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    this on the right. So, Sarah, you are much closer to gun culture than I am. This seems to me like it would be the easiest layup. For any gun rights to a supporter in America to say look look I’m meeting you halfway. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:52

    Just like, yeah, we ought to have red flag laws and these politicians in El Paso Texas ought to be written out on a rail, Colorado El Paso County. Right? In Colorado, ought to ought to be written out on a rail. And I haven’t seen any of that. Maybe it’s happening out there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:09

    I haven’t seen it. Like, it’s it’s like the easiest good faith gesture possible Are there any good faith gun rights people out there? I don’t know. Again, these are your people, not mine people. I’m gonna
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    say something that’s gonna sound me overly provocative, but I’ve been thinking about it. I heard a lot
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    of arguments after Nancy Pelosi’s husband was attacked with the hammer, where conservatives were like, it is ridiculous to blame the rhetoric. On this attack because, you know, we have to be able to criticize political leaders. That’s true. But these attacks the reason that I think they feel unlike when the school shootings happen. Right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:47

    Like politicians rush to make sure that they have something to say and some way to engage. Even since the Orlando, nightclub shooting. The gay night club shooting in Orlando. I would say that the temperature and the tenor toward gay people, you know, drag queens, trans people, has changed like a lot. And it is now a disfavored group on the right.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:11

    You know, Ben Shapiro relentlessly talks about them. Lots of people made it central to their campaigns. The idea that you would hear something about trans people in schools. It is wildly overwhelmed, the sports issue. And as a result, it becomes like a difficult virtue signal for people on the right to say that this this favorite group not have been targeted and attacked even though it feels like it should be easy.
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    0:15:37

    They just don’t rush out in the same way.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:40

    Yeah. Just to pull this up for kicks, because my own state, good on them, has gotten rid of a lot of their Republicans lately. Starting a ton of elected Republicans there, but Colorado Springs rep is elected Republican. Doug Lambert, I wouldn’t expect Lauren Beaufort to do the right thing. So we’re we’ll just ignore Lauren.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:54

    But Doug Lambert is a a yesterday’s man or Republican. He’s been there as long as I I’ve been in politics. And I’m just looking at a statement now. And it’s literally it’s thoughts and prayers. I mean, I could read it all, but he names the five victims.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:10

    The he names the twenty five are injured. He says they hope they have a speedy recovery. He says he’s grateful for the swift reaction for members of law enforcement. And a guess, and the real swift reaction was from the hero there who stops the shooter and then was arrested by law enforcement, but okay, I’ll let that slide, our first responders and hospitals. Of course, we should all continue to pray for everyone affected.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:32

    Right? I mean, nothing. Not even, like, not even a word, not even a word gay. Like, not even the you know what I mean? Like,
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:38

    nothing. Like, nothing. I mean, at least he’s not out there today, bitching about groomers, which is a thing that certain members of conservatism, Inc. Are doing today. Like, right now, as we tape today, you know, you see you see guys who are, you know, big manga wheels out there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:53

    Well, what you want I mean, if if we’re not gonna
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:55

    stop these rumors, then there’s gonna be violence and, like, Jesus. Well, here’s Jack postovik. Jack postovik. Jack postovik. Who’s who’s gating about me today over on Getter.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:05

    Are we just not supposed to talk about why a US army major took his family down to the local drag club for a night out? So it’s like, okay. On the one hand, it’s like some fucking Republican, far or not Republican, even some like far right conservative media assholes are gonna be provocative assholes. Souls. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:21

    So that’s one way to look at it. But I saw Jack recently, actually. Where did you see him, Tim? Yeah. Here’s the opening speaker for Blake Masters and Cary Lake.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:30

    At that event, they invited him to speak not during the primary in the general election two days out. This guy, Pizzagate Jack, who’s out there, criticizing the army, the the vet, you know, who saved a lot of lives. Just really quick aside, we’re ranting about this. I don’t know if you wanna keep ranting, and this is maybe an inappropriate place to do this, but I just want to thank you about it. They that guy and his wife, Jess Fierro.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:53

    I have a brilliant company in Colorado Springs, so I’m gonna try to get to it when I get home over Christmas. That atravita beer company, I put the link in the triad. These guys should be supported. I mean, this is you know, the fact that they their girl their daughter lost his boyfriend, got killed. Like this guy had this was just taken a night out with his kids trying to support the community, try to support diverse groups within Colorado Springs community.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:20

    And as a vet, he says he doesn’t wanna be in war anymore, and has to spring in action. To fucking take out this piece of shit that went into there with a gun, you know, and for him now to have to be like trolled you know, I mean, if these guys had any dignity, if like Blake Masters and Kerry Lake untagged herself for my tweet, by the way, if these people had any dignity or any at all, care about the community. You just say, no. Like, this is not acceptable. Like like, we are not that far away from a time when it wasn’t perfect.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:49

    Wasn’t great. There were a lot of bad politicians. There was a lot of gay dating, but you’d at least have somebody out there being like, you know? No, actually. Like, let’s not let’s not insult the hero who saved a bunch of lives for for going to a drag show.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:04

    And, like Yeah. But
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:05

    Tim, also, like, do you agree with me when the shooting happened in Orlando at the gay club that the that the tone was actually really different? That, like, it’s feels like something has changed this time? I
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:16

    do agree. Yeah. Sorry. That’s what that was the point I was I got distracted. That was the point I was trying to make with the landborne quote.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:22

    Right? I mean, I don’t we’d have to go back and look. We’d have to go back and look. But I’m pretty sure that, you know, say what you want about Little Marco, that, like, Little Marco statement after Pulse, at least said, you know, this attack targeting gay, Floridians, and it’s unacceptable. You know what I mean?
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:37

    Like, we’re gonna you’ll find it, but, like, the word gay, I’m pretty sure was in there. Maybe it wasn’t. We’ll go back and check. But But I but just in general, like, that was at least an okay thing to say. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:49

    You know, to to just acknowledge that a specific community was targeted here and that, you know, we we should try to turn turn down the temperature. No. That’s the opposite is happening. So, yeah, there’s different. Alright.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:01

    I wanna move on from this in a minute, but but one more substantive thing. Why is the Sheriff’s Department and the DA out there in Colorado against red flag laws. Because it would seem to me that
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:15

    I am
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:16

    forever hearing from law enforcement organizations that their jobs are so unbelievably dangerous. You have to cut LEOs, some slack. They have a very hard and very important job and and etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, and that they’re not all Derek Chauvin’s, you know, and then and I am sympathetic to a point too many of those arguments. And we have we have hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers in America, and I’m sure that the vast majority of them are great people who are doing the job for the right reasons and do it with the utmost professionalism.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:50

    That said,
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:52

    this kind of thing seems like a no brainer protect the police. Right? I mean, if you are a blue lives matter, black back the blue kind of a person. Like, this is this is a as I said, it’s just a layup. And, politically, like, I don’t understand why.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:10

    Tim, you ordered a piece by this a couple months ago. Right? The Democratic message should be fewer guns on the streets, more money for cops. Like, that that should be the entire Democratic message on law and order. But I don’t know, like, where where are the LEOs on
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:25

    this? Yeah. That is a legitimate fear about the like the cops have. I I do I I said this, I think, one it was in a in a previous article about one of these shootings, you know, of our own black person. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:36

    Where I wasn’t I wasn’t defending a coverage saying that, like, when we’re addressing the issues here, racism as well. But just the amount of guns on the streets. Like, this isn’t happening in other countries in part because of racism, but also in part because they’re less scared that they might get a gun pulled on them. Right? You know, if you’re in if you’re in London, you’re not very scared that if you, you know, if you go into somebody’s house, like, on a call, like, they’re gonna shoot you because there’s hardly any guns.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:02

    That’s legitimate concern that some that some police have. And for a while, it was when police unions used to be, you know, police unions worked on the crime bill, right, for all the problems of the crime bill. Right? Like, they wanted those deals. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:15

    Which was that the one I’m just well, you just described, like, more money for for police, more resource release, but fewer guns on the street as part of that for their own to the safety of their own members. You know, maybe it’s it’s the magnification of of the police force. You know, maybe it’s just ideological brain worms and a handful of counties. But, yeah, I mean, I like, they’re they’re acting against their own self interest, against their own safety. To advance some insane ideological agenda, like, why do they they’re not their gun rights aren’t threatened.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:44

    Why do they give a fuck if this guy if this kid that threatened to kill them. Can’t get in there anything. Alright,
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:52

    Terry. Do you have any answers to move on? You’re the people should know, you are, like Willis Reid, in the NBA finals, you are strapping it on here, to be here, you are sick. And do
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:03

    the novel coronavirus era or just I
  • Speaker 3
    0:23:06

    just have a neurovirus of some kind. I have something kind of blowing through me. So
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    0:23:11

    does neuro or an oral? Neuro. Neuro. Alright. And if you need to if you need to bail on this midway, you just you just tag out.
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:23

    We haven’t talked about Nancy Pelosi stepping down. It’s one of those rare walking away from the table a winner. Doesn’t happen all that often for speakers of the house.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:34

    Leaving her
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:34

    caucus in a pretty strong position. I think she was a fairly consequential speaker and her politics are not my politics, but pretty clear that she’s a patriot and grown up. And she did she did write by America for the last five or six years. Do you guys have any thoughts about either her or what looks to be her replacement? Hakim Jeffries?
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    0:23:58

    Sarah?
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    0:23:59

    I don’t
  • Speaker 4
    0:24:00

    have any specific thoughts. I spent most of my career criticizing Nancy Pelosi, and so I can’t say that I am turning around to say that like no doubt she’s an effective person. But yes, her politics are not my politics. I think the interesting thing is that the Democrats do seem to be turning the page generationally. Like, making an active attempt to do that.
  • Speaker 4
    0:24:19

    And I think that’s the right thing to do in this moment. I don’t really know that much about who came Jeffries, but I I like the idea that they are as a group setting out to have a new generation of leaders.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:32

    They had
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:33

    a lot of old people in leadership. They have a lot of old people in leadership. I’m a
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    0:24:39

    little concerned about the Brooklyn Power now. Chuck Schumer and Hacking Jefferies. Just a lot of them — Brilliant. — to network. For me, for my taste.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:47

    I’m interested that Nancy had said that she that the attack on her husband
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:54

    was impacted her. Okay. We’re Sarah’s checking out. Oh, man. Alright.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:00

    Sarah just pulled the eject the eject lever. Yeah. It was heroic for her to get on camera at all. She
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    0:25:08

    Poor Sarah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:09

    This is I am deeply sympathetic. We have the flu blown from my house and I right now have the flu a strain multiplying in my bloodstream. I can feel it I’m, you know, all four of my kids have been sick with it this week. I
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    0:25:22

    didn’t know she was sick. I thought that they’re just very I thought that was kind of impressed that that the impact of the news this week just had that effect on her, you know, that she physically healed over. Alright. So talk to me
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    0:25:36

    a little more more about your your Schumer Schumer Jeffries, Axis of New York. Okay. Well, I’m just a little
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    0:25:42

    concerned about that. That’s all. I just think it’s keeping an eye on. Akeem, Jeffries, it’s it’s generationally. This is good.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:50

    Demographically, it’s I think it’s good if it’s not an another white a white person. That said, you know, the democrats should be also conscious of un coastifying themselves. I’m just making up a word right there. And as you look for Schumer replacements and the WIP and all that, I think that let’s try to fill this out with some people. Who, you know, are not a forty minute drive from the Atlantic or Pacific oceans.
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    0:26:13

    I just think that should also be a priority. I was intrigued that Nancy said that that Paul Pelosi’s attack impacted her thinking on what to do. I do wonder if that meant staying rather than just retiring or how that impact is. But I’m happy that I am happy that she’s staying. You know?
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:31

    And I think that there’s some value to having her there. And I think that if if anything just symbolically, you don’t want to give in because as Sarah mentioned in the like, before she drops off. The the response to the Paul Pelosi attack was fucking was disgusting on the right. Right? And, you know, and you don’t want to back down from that?
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:53

    And I think that there is, you know, a a tie there between of between the that’s related to kind of what happened in the election. And the fact that, like, this party’s just complete unwillingness to show basic decency to be even in the ballpark of normal like, to want to, like, demonstrate that they, you know, care about these sorts of things. I I think played a part, maybe small part in the midterms. In addition, if I a leader of the parties to spread about it in the midterms. And so I think it’s good that she is sticking around to see to see that through at least through twenty twenty four.
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    0:27:28

    And we’ll see Jefferies My my my biggest concern about Jefferies is Nancy demonstrated a lot of deafness at keeping together a caucus that is pretty unwieldy. Right? Like, the Jared Golden and Maine and and Rashida Tlaib, like, don’t have a lot in common. Right? I mean, there’s, like, a very big, broad, unwieldy, coalition coalition.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:49

    I ain’t even getting more unwieldy, honestly, as things go on. Yeah. So can she help him navigate that? Is Jeffrey’s gonna be capable of that? I think it’ll be a little bit easier in the minority, especially in a big minority, right, to to do that.
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    0:28:04

    That I think that is as part of the concern I have for Democrats, the thing to watch this generational turnover is needed. But when they turn over generationally, they do need to keep in mind that, like, old, relatively conservative blacks and other people of color at Union got, right, like are still part of this coalition. Right? And and, you know, you can’t just totally turn it over into the to the Brooklyn crowd. That that would be my only flag.
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    0:28:30

    Well,
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    0:28:30

    we’ll sing. Alright. Hey, this is the part of the show where we talk about our sponsor, Bolen Branch. The maker of fantastic sheets. Tim, I don’t know if you know this, but the day after Friday, or the day after Thursday is is Black Friday.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:46

    It’s the day when everybody goes shopping for stuff. And — Yeah. — I heard about that. So here’s something it it was weird. I was thinking about this the other day.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:55

    I guess I have I have somebody in my life who is gonna be getting some Bolen brand sheets that I’m gonna be purchasing my own money because I like it so much such a good product. Are you are you one for unboxing?
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    0:29:07

    Because I care a
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    0:29:08

    great deal about packaging. I don’t know why. I shouldn’t but but I take it seems like you would care about that. No, I don’t. That’s not funny.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:16

    I gotta tell you. The bolen brand sheets are packaged so nicely that it is like almost a second gift in itself. They’re really say, this is the kind of present that if you give something
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:30

    I wouldn’t have noticed. You wouldn’t have noticed
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:31

    that they’re getting something special. And the sheets look fantastic. They’re comfortable. They’re well designed and treadably deep pockets on the fitted corners. I don’t know.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:40

    Honestly, just the best sheets I’ve ever slept on. And I I like to think of myself as something of a connoisseur of of linens. I’m sure you do. Yeah. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:50

    I do. So anyway, Tim, are you gonna are you gonna be purchasing Bolen bread sheets for anybody in your life?
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:57

    I’m not giving it away. But I might be. I’ve been eyeing that twenty five percent off code. It seems pretty good. And so you know, I’ve got a few people in mind.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:07

    Also, it’s an easy gap. That’s the other thing. Right? You just like, hey, I don’t have to think too much about it. They’ve got they’ve got every color that this person can possibly need.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:15

    All I need to know is their bed size and then done. So this black of a personal question. No. But it but but you can see if it’s somebody who you know recently well, then you probably know what it is because you’ve, like, walked past their bedroom, but he was, like, going at home. Queen.
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    0:30:32

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    0:31:03

    Timmy, it’s
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    0:31:04

    wonderful. So we are we are without Sarah,
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:07

    which means that we can do whatever we want. We were gonna talk about her focus groups. We could instead talk about the nuggets.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:13

    We could
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:14

    I I could I don’t
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    0:31:15

    know rant about something related to talking about
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:17

    Thanksgiving. Like, we could just do we could just do you and me having some boy talk Alright. We can
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    0:31:22

    do some boy talk. I’m happy talking with the nuggets. I’m a little annoyed. I don’t know what the solution this is. All the nuggets have COVID right now, like the whole team.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:28

    So we’re playing, like, with the g league roster. And I don’t you know, I don’t know. We did eventually, we’re gonna have to come up with a solution to this. Right? I mean, all these guys, except Kyrie, except racist Kyrie, are vaccinated and boosted.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:41

    I don’t know what like, do do do they need to go through the whole eight day thing? Am I am I being all too greedy? Shouldn’t shouldn’t like a four day? And once they feel better, shouldn’t they be able to get back out there? No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:54

    I
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:54

    don’t know. I I I I don’t know the answer to this. We need to ask
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:58

    doctor John about this. I don’t know. It feels a little stringent. I don’t know. Yokich or maybe I’m just missing having Nicole Yokich in my life, but we’re on like day eight of his of his COVID break, and I’ve had I’ve had COVID.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:09

    I didn’t I felt like by day eight, I would be able to be out there, but it seems like he won’t be playing against the Pistons tonight. So such his life, I have another sports related complaint. Sports and politics. Here we go. Are you ready for this?
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    0:32:20

    Oh, boy. So I’ve been feeling very at home in my new kind of center left coalition lately. Mhmm. You know, feeling like, man, at at times, I’m almost like, you know, I wanna troll you guys and say something right wing just because I’m tired of of agreeing so much. And You’re sick and
  • Speaker 1
    0:32:36

    tired of all
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:37

    the winning. I’m sick and tired of all the winning. And then something did happen. I did have some losing. In California, here we have some ballot initiatives.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:44

    Mhmm. And I have to tell you, my my vote on the ballot initiative here in direct direct democracy, will of the people, Vox popularly, Vox Dei, I was off, everyone. The state the the blue state of California one against me on every single one. The the lack of regulation, not putting increased onerous regulations on dialysis clinics, and supporting low income housing. I think were the only things I was aligned with the voters of California on.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:13

    And so that kind of reminded me that I’m still not completely a main stream live. But the one thing that really bothered me was
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:21

    the
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:22

    online gambling. We had a bill here, a a ballot initiative that would have allowed for some online gambling. The funds were gonna go to the tribes. Part part was gonna go to the tribes and part was gonna go to build housing. We need houses out here.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:33

    It seems like this is a no brainer. We are in a free country. If I wanna be able to pull up my phone and lose some money, gambling on little cowboys game this weekend on Thanksgiving. I should be able to do that. Okay?
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:47

    This is I don’t understand why my fellow Californians wanna limit me. Right? And now I’m here. What are I gonna do for the next four days? I got my in laws here.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:55

    I love my in laws. Love my announcement eventually at, like, by day four, conversation starts to drop and maybe I just wanna turn on a Kaiden versus Arkansas game and don’t really care about creating versus Arkansas, but let’s make it interesting by throwing a a few twenties on there. You know? And that seems like that’s just something that I enjoy. And I’m I’m a little embittered that not only did my fellow Californians deny me that, and deny the tribes and the low income housing people their money, but they denied me it in overwhelming numbers.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:27

    It was like eighty to twenty. It was like eighty to twenty. It was a red flag law style numbers. This is an outrage. I’m outraged.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:36

    If you’re living in California, you voted against me, I’m mad at you. And and now I don’t like, I have to, like, Venmo my brother to gamble for me in Colorado, and this is ridiculous. I’m a grown man. Like, use your Robinhood
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:47

    app to gamble that way. I mean, why do you need
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:52

    to put it looks like
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:54

    All gaming, like cigarettes, and like alcohol, it’s crazy on the people who were sure because you have high social capital to be able to weather any ill ill circumstances, which it brings you. And these things always prey upon the people who can least afford it. And this is why they’re bad. And part of living a society is the people who who can afford to, like, manage their problems and not have their lives destroyed by it sometimes. Have their freedoms slightly impeded?
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:26

    Ever so slightly impeded. I knew you would be a nanny state labs. Look, there’s a reason these things are vices. Right? Like, there’s there’s a reason that these things are are There are
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:37

    a lot of vices out there. Yes. Watch in TikTok is a vise. Watch in TV is a vise. You know, bingeing shows is a vice.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:44

    You’re not gonna spend the
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:45

    the money that you should be spending on baby formula on TikTok.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:50

    Right? I
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:51

    mean, this is the this is the the the truth of it. You might forget to buy
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:55

    the baby formula because you keep rolling through your for you page for so long that the that the CVS is closed. I don’t know there are a lot of potential options. I’m just saying, doesn’t this seem like a pretty harmless joy? Just me throw in a few bucks on the nuggets piston. It’s a totally
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:09

    calm full joy. It’s an absolutely harmless anyway. It’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:13

    like it’s like a text. It’s like a stupid tax on me with the the the the the the tribes and low income housing, future low income housing residents benefit from. I mean, really, we’re gonna this is this is, like, we we’re getting into Trump, communist, China territory. Here, I guess. I guess.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:32

    You
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:32

    know what I mean? If if that’s what you really think. Yeah. The the the dirty secret of
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:36

    these things is
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:36

    that a lot no. I I am not totally clue it into all of it, but on some of the sort of peer to peer gambling sites like FanDuel and you are not actually you the a norming who go into bet a hundred bucks on a you are not actually betting against, like,
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:58

    Tin Miller
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:59

    on the other end. You you are betting against a very sophisticated person who is running essentially a gigantic bot driven arbitrage network. And you’re you’re just — Okay. — you’re you’re just flushing your money away. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:12

    Yeah. So now these things are all bad, and it’s it’s really bad that the sports leagues have finally relented and just got in bed with them. And I, you know, They deserve So what are
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:25

    you? So what does so what does Sunday afternoon look like for you here? You you have many days with your in laws in front of you, I was with
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:33

    two miles away. How are you gonna spend the afternoon? You can’t
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:34

    just throw if you’re not gonna throw a few bucks on a ball game. What are what are you gonna do? What is some good god fearing fun? You’re gonna throw a few bucks on the
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:41

    ball. Who is time to watch a ball game on a Sunday afternoon. We’re like taking care of the kids and running to to cross country meets sort of baseball practice or
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:50

    On Thanksgiving weekend?
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:51

    I have a I
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    0:37:53

    have a
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:53

    team. Coaching. God help me. I am coaching a seventh and eighth grade girls
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:58

    basketball team. I am coaching. That sounds like a dream seven and eight great girls basket. Can
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:01

    I gamble? Can I gamble? Can
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:03

    I gamble on it? Can we run a book?
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:07

    We can run a book, and let me give you a hot tip. One, my squad, take the under. Whatever the under is, take it. We have a game on Sunday afternoon. Gonna help me.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:18

    And we had our first game this past weekend. My squad managed to would you would you care to guess? If you’re gonna set an over underline on total points by my team scored, thirty two minute game, seventh and eighth grade,
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:34

    eight minute quarters. Okay. I I’ll say you probably got probably got twelve points. Oh, well
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:39

    then you would have lost twenty two. Oh, yeah. Twenty two. That’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:42

    pretty good.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:42

    Twenty two point. It
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    0:38:45

    was I only have three kids who
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:47

    have played basketball in any capacity before. That’s like three basketball’s a quarter.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:51

    That’s pretty good. That’s not so bad. How
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:54

    many the other team have? Twenty eight. Oh, it’s a competitive match. It was, I mean, I guess. What kind of defense
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:00

    do you got in play? Are you doing,
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:01

    like, little one three one trap? I had thought. I had thought that I was gonna run a one three one trap. This is my dream. And I thought I was gonna press all game long and stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:09

    Like, I had so many dreams for this. But here I let me tell you what happened. So I I I wanted my my gals plan a two three zone and give up
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:24

    the three pointer.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:26

    Well, nobody in the entire game made a shot from further away than eight feet. So I was willing to bank on back the pain. Just shooting over us. I was like, you know, if — Yeah. — people wanna hit ten footers over us, I’ll give that to them all day long.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:39

    So our first quarter of attempting to be in a two three zone was not successful. By which I mean that they were still basically playing man to man. I was like, no. So so we I call time out. Time out.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:52

    Blue. You need
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    0:39:53

    time. Brought them
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:54

    over. I got out my hold on a second.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:58

    Yeah. I got out my
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    0:40:00

    the whiteboard. I I
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:01

    raised that word.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:02

    Right? Love that. And I and I I ski and I said, hey. Guys, we gotta get we gotta get this two three zone in. And so I this was not a thirty second time out is a full time out.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:12

    And so I got out my drier race marker and I was like, and and Vicky, you’re gonna go over here. Yeah. Christina, you’re over there. And, you know, marry a year over here. And you’re gonna guard this aircraft.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:24

    This is gonna alright. Does everybody
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:26

    got it? And
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:28

    there’s like quiet. One girl goes, is this offense or defense? At which point I did say, just go out there and have fun. Go out there and have a good picture. Just roll it out.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:44

    Alright. Okay. Well, damn the W NBA not be in their future. But that’s enjoy that on Sunday and let me know. I’m wanna bet on that way.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:52

    You’re touching Nancy. Yeah. But it’s a Sunday afternoon, I’m gonna be bored. So if you can get me a live stream and someone to take the other side of the bat Well, planes
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:00

    can beat us. James B, I believe, on Sunday. And, you know, I don’t know what the scouts say about Saint James B, but Find
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:08

    a parent over there. Not a coach at
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:10

    all. They’re find a parent over
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    0:41:12

    there on the St. James b sideline and tell him that I’m interested in Tim wants to make this
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:15

    interesting. My MSNBC’s best selling New York Times author, Tim Miller wants to make this interesting. What do you say about this? Mister Fazilato. Do you want some action on this?
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    0:41:28

    Alright. Hey,
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:29

    guys. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. We are We’re grateful to have you riding with us. So grateful Have a good one. Have a safe one.
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    0:41:38

    We hope you’re surrounded by people you love and and people who love you. And don’t forget to hit the subscribe button, go over to the bulwark dot com, sign up for all this stuff, and we’ll see you next week. Bye. Have a good day. Thanks, Steve, and everybody’s still.
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