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Biden’s State of the Union Masterclass (The Secret Podcast PREVIEW)

March 8, 2024
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  • Speaker 1
    0:00:00

    Hey there. It’s JBL. On the Secret Show with Sarah Longwell today, we talked about Joe Biden’s big state of the union night talked about the very, very strange energy from Katie Brick. We talked a little bit about Katie Porter, then some Beyonce. Not gonna lie.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:16

    This is a banger of a show, strap in.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:24

    Saddle straight? Oh, look. There he is. And, it was it was it was top notch from start to finish, including, the actual car crash, train wreck, plane inflames follow-up delivery by Katie Brit in her rebuttal.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:48

    That’s a whole separate topic. A whole separate topic. Towards.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:51

    Alright. So, gino, now it’s my turn to say. Yeah. Wanna put a quarter in the machine. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:55

    And I wanna let it run. Go ahead, baby, boy. I mean, I’m
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:01

    not surprised. If you recall, we did a state of the union last year, and Biden was awesome. And so we did it again this year, and Biden is awesome. And at some point, Don’t we all just go? Oh, actually, he’s very good at this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:20

    Their, you know, character is destiny. Right? And Joe Biden’s character is that he loves this shit. And more than that, he loves almost all of those people in the room. And it comes through.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:35

    Right? This is the, you know, he is such a a classic politician in that way in that he draws energy from other people He genuinely likes other people and even genuinely likes people who don’t like him. He’s just that’s that’s how he is. And Did you see the reaction shot he had with Marjorie Taylor Green as he was coming in?
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:54

    I did.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:55

    And he’s coming in and he sees her and she’s dressed like she is at a monster truck rally and she’s just super into gravedigger or something. Right? She’s she’s got, the manga hat and the manga blade she’s wearing pins. She does not look like a grown up professional adult.
  • Speaker 3
    0:02:14

    Amazing. And Biden looks at her and Biden’s reaction is to point at her into a sort of double take, whoa,
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:22

    as if it’s awesome, as if he is blown away by her commitment to the bit, And when you panic her face, she doesn’t know how to take it. Right? Because she’s expecting him to scowl. And Biden just thinks, like, hey, man, that’s America. How awesome is this?
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:39

    And when people are booing him during the
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:42

    Wait, guys. His his his face said Look at you. Get you here. Marjorie, you look funny.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:53

    But also as if
  • Speaker 3
    0:02:54

    he was genuinely amused by
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:55

    it in a good natured way, not loud. Totally. Not looking down on her But, like, hey, this is all part of life rich pageant. Isn’t that awesome? And, you know, when I don’t know what the Republicans thought was gonna happen when they started booing him because again, Biden feeds off this stuff because he doesn’t get angry or embarrassed.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:17

    He’s he’s one of these people who and I’m not like this. This is what you know, I am not in politics.
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:24

    Who takes this sort
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:25

    of stuff and then is like,
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:27

    yeah, come on. Let’s do it. I like a little give and take. You know? Hey.
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:30

    Let’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:31

    he likes that.
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:33

    And so he’s, like, giving it back to
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:35

    them, but again, not in the I’m gonna dominate you way, but in the this is how it’s supposed to be way. And man, when that comes through, I don’t think this is just me, Johnny, from Jersey Biden Superfam. I think that is very attractive to people. Now it may not be very attractive to the manga types, but although I do think it unsettles them, because that’s not the mode of politics they’re used to. They’re used to a strong man looking to dominate people.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:06

    And the idea of a guy who you know, or or they’re used to the Obama mode, which is this Vulcan, you know, super serious. Biden is just different from both of them. By a lot. He’s much closer to Bill Clinton than he is to either of them. Close and George, I mean, George, I mean, Bush wasn’t all that far from Clinton, in that way.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:26

    He wasn’t as pure a political animal as Clinton was. But but but he just liked that. So on this substance, you know, he it was a campaign speech. Basically, he did all of stuff that we want him to do on immigration. I thought it was very effective.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:45

    But he used a location that other people that I that he’s used once or twice before, that I think is going to be very effective. So, I mean, he talked about trump being as old as he was, which is funny. But then he talked. He said it’s not how old you it’s not the age of the person. It’s the age of their ideas.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:07

    And this is a very I think it’s a very shrewd way to frame it. Right? Cause it it talks to progress and change. And what he’s saying is, you know, Trump is just all of these old ideas. I think that is, again, in an environment where people, you know, like, we’ve been doing how many change elections have we had in a row now, Sarah Longwell of them, seven of them.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:32

    I I think that’s useful. I don’t know. I just I looked at it and I’m like, yes. This is why I’ve always said that, you know, all due respect to Gretchen Whitmer Biden is the best available candidate. He could certainly lose to Trump, but I think he can also beat Trump, and he’s good.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:49

    He’s just good. He’s good at presenting, and he’s good at this stuff. And I you know what? Totally comfortable with him debating Trump. I don’t think Trump wants to debate him after this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:03

    It was awesome. It was awesome.
  • Speaker 3
    0:06:06

    So Am
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:06

    I wrong? Am I so I’m trying to view this objectively as a what does the median person take from it?
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:12

    Well, I don’t know. You’re you’re a you’re a fanboy and that’s good. That’s good. That’s your thing. He needs some of them.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:18

    I’m I’m more of a skeptic often, especially of, you know, I just I listen to voters talk about the age question, and so I know it’s real. Across the political spectrum, the concerns about that. I’m watching, you know, the absence of there being sort of surrogates out there willing to defend him, be part of his echo chamber, which feels like not a vote of confidence. And I, obviously, I was rooting for him. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:42

    Sure. And and I tend to be as somebody who does things in public and, often gets, like, pretty afraid, like, for big moments. Like, I remember when Sarah Longwell was walking across to give her first VP speech And she was in high heels on that slick slick floor. And I just stood there being like, please don’t fall. Please don’t fall.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:01

    Like, I just want I want people to be okay generally. And so I I felt that way last night. Like, I was rooting for him, but I was genuinely impressed. And let me just say I’m not, like, I don’t have blinders on. Like, he was often talking too fast to be like clearly understood.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:18

    There was a couple of lines that he needed to hit. Like the women’s reproductive, writes things, they kinda garbled. You know, he it wasn’t like he had no moments where he wasn’t quite you know, getting the line perfectly clear. But the problem for Republicans, and it’s not just that they miss Not just that they underestimate him. That’s your word.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:41

    Right? It’s not just that they underestimate him. It’s that they set bars for him. And the bar is dementia. The bar is senility.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:50

    The bar is weekend at Bernie’s not alive. And so Last night, watching Republicans be like, he’s talking too loud and too fast. I’m like, oh, oh, You are upset because Yeah. What you wanna say is look at this daughtering old man and instead you’re like, he’s too juiced. He’s got too much energy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:10

    He’s too loud. Okay, cry more. Guys, cry more. It was, He just he cleared the bar by such so high, that and and, like, expectations matter. Expectations really do matter, and the expectations were low.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:29

    And so he just, it was like, out of the ballpark. And that might not If he was Bill Clinton, that wouldn’t have been considered a speech for the ages, but for Biden with the stakes as high as they are, because here’s what people wanna see for Biden. They wanna know that Biden understands the stakes of this election. I think all the hand wringing from Democrats and the step aside and the Kenny Duid is like, You may have noticed Donald Trump is the alternative here, and we feel very nervous about an eighty one year old man being our candidate, especially one that doesn’t seem like he goes out in public that much. And can go toe to toe with this fascist lunatic and the classroom.
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:03

    Last two weeks. Biden has been out in public a lot more.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:05

    He has. No. He has. The things are shifting. And but last night, instead of like the slow shifting of a big, what, cruise liner, it was like a sharp turn of whoa.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:22

    And here’s the thing. You you you noted the way that he mixes it up with Republicans, but I think What was interesting to me is that he was giving a fiery type campaign speech where the substance was for the base. The substance was very much for Democrats. But the the tone was for sort of swing voters who are worried he’s too old. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:45

    And so he was giving them what they needed to be like, oh, that guy’s there. He’s with it. He’s seems, you know, he seems but but also he did seem like sort of it was a little bit angry at times in the way campaigns speeches were not even angry. He was going at he went right at the Supreme Court. He went right at the Republicans.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:04

    He was going on offense, but when he smiles, at them. When he makes the the jokes about his own age, being self deprecating and Lindsey Graham laughs. When he had that moment where He was going on offense on immigration, and he was like, we put together the toughest bill, whatever, and they started booing him. And he’s like, Oh, you don’t think so. You don’t think so.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:27

    Those are good good moments for him, and they are disarming. Republicans did not know what to do with themselves. They don’t know what to do with themselves this morning. They’re somewhere between like, what was it? Angry partisan speech.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:39

    Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:39

    So we have not seen a president who can work in that mode in a long time. Yeah. Right? Obama was certainly not like that. Trump was certainly meant like that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:51

    It’s been more than a decade since we’ve had an American president who who takes that particular approach to the opposition. So here is what again, and I really I’m, you know, I could talk to you in my Biden fanboy hat, but I’m not wearing that hat. I’m wearing the JBLs always right hat.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:07

    These are different tasks.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:10

    It’s technically a shirt, but go on.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:12

    If you were to pull together a focus group of your double doubters or your double haters or your pox on both their houses.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:20

    Yep.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:21

    And first, you were to ask them, but say, hey, so tell me what you think about Biden’s age, and you let them all have their say, and then you were to show them that speech Ron DeSantis sit with them. And then afterwards say, so what do you guys think about the age stuff? I think it would have moved a couple of them. And that’s why I say that I think it’s effect. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:42

    The single biggest liability he has is age. The group he needs to do well with are the double doubters. And I think this puts that to bed or at least begins to move the needle on that. With a some percentage of those double doubters, and that makes it a successful speech.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:03

    Yeah. I don’t think it puts it It does. I don’t think it puts it to bed. This is a moment in time, but here’s here’s one of the things that I think it really accomplished. I agree that for the double doubters, like, he gave him something to chew on, and maybe relieved some of the doubt.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:17

    To me, one of the biggest things that it did though, you know, me and my surrogate kick, I’m always talking about the surrogates and the bench. They need to be out there for him. And my my my sense of their reluctance The reason we haven’t been seeing people who are willing to sort of own Biden’s economy and go out and stump for him and put all their energy, their clout, their capital behind him is they don’t want that sort of thirty five, forty percent approval ratings stink all over them.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:43

    Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:43

    And I do think last night, he gave them a a leadership cover, right, where they’d be like, no, you can you can go out and defend me and feel good about it. You can go out on my behalf because I was I was the Democrats in the room, you could see the energy just move in their directions. Republicans looked like their sphincters were so tight at watching him come out strong. And the Democrats were loose. They were laughing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:12

    They were cheering. They were standing up. And Republicans did themselves no favors by staying in their chairs the whole time because they just looked kinda like they just looked like a trampy, yeah, a little lumpy, sit there. Exactly. They did look trapped.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:24

    And, and so I just I think Biden set a tone where things now can start to improve. I think these Pete looked ready to go run through a wall for Biden.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:37

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:37

    And he needed that. He needed a rally She needed to bring people to aside.
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:42

    I will remind people. Biden does keep doing this. He gave a great
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:42

    speech on democracy when he was doing his October seven stuff. He gave three fantastic set pieces
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:52

    on October seven. So this isn’t like,
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:52

    oh, well, he rolled double sixes once. You know, he’s he’s good. Yeah. I wouldn’t say that
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:04

    I think speeches are his strongest suit. I do think when he does the state of the unions, Though, you do get the sense he’s like, this is my house. I grew up here. I live here. You guys are my pals.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:15

    I see a lot of faces.
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:18

    You know, the Raven Stadium.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:19

    Yeah. And that was the other thing. You know, he looked like he was having fun. Yes. You know, one of the things Trump does.
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:27

    I think he was actually having fun.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:28

    I I think that’s right. And and but but feeling that, you know, when Trump does his thing and he does his goofy dance, and he goes up to, you know, tell all his stem winders and his little bits. The fact is the people at those rallies It’s like red solo cup fun, you know? Yeah, it’s politics, but it’s also, it’s us, it’s community, and I’m gonna make it sound nicer than it is, but like This is why people go is to is to feel like they’re with people that are, you know, tell their tribe, and yeah. And I just think Biden last night having fun showing both the stakes but also the lightness man.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:03

    That is the right balance, and and people can follow that. It sets a tone. Ah, man. I don’t know. I thought it was really good.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:13

    Do you wanna talk?
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:14

    Feel good about him. We’ll get to Katie right in a minute. I’m No. No. No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:16

    I wanna talk about my Johnson really quick.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:18

    Oh, okay. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:20

    Did you? Did you watch Mike Johnson?
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:26

    My boy looked like he was twelve years old, sitting at the grown ups table, and not quite sure what to do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:35

    I don’t know why I feel this way. No. I just thought he needed, like, a paint pail. Like, he was, like, he did. There’s something, like, There I don’t know what, man.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:46

    Go get your shine box kid. Like, he just he and it was weird because
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:53

    son, you’re not ready for the biggs.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:54

    You’re not ready. He did not know what to do with his face. Yeah. And so, and in the out of the gate. So one of the things Biden did really well is he went out of the gate with Ukraine.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:02

    And I can see from a Republican based standpoint, they don’t like this at all. Cause this is, you’re not doing America first. You’re talking about Ukraine. But Mike Johnson agrees with him actually on Ukraine, even though he’s not doing but he does. And so he was nodding.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:14

    And then, like, realized. Kinda got used to nodding. And then she had been fighting transitions into, like, January sixth, then you could see him, like, short circuiting, not knowing what to do. And so, I thought that would because, you know, Kevin McCarthy sat behind Biden last time Ron DeSantis sneered and jeered and said no and reacted. And my Johnson was just like a, like, sort of bobble heading, sometimes murky, but, like, he was never quite in sync.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:45

    With what Biden was saying.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:48

    He it really was like a, you know, a single a player dropped in the middle of a big league game. And I don’t know. You know what? Sit next Kamala Harris. She looked statesman like
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:01

    She did.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:02

    And serious and like a grown up. I
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:08

    do you think our friends hi, Bill.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:08

    We are finally going to be comfortable with the fact that Joe Biden is the nominee. Joe Biden’s gonna be the nominee, and also Joe Biden is the best deal you’re gonna get because don’t know what else to to say. Like, this is this is the best deal we’re gonna get. This is a this is it’s not a sure thing. My god, it’s should be a sure thing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:34

    He should be up by fifteen points and running away with it, but he’s not because that’s not the world we live in. And so understanding that whoever we have gonna be somewhere between a fifty five and a forty five percent chance to save democracy. I would rather be riding with Biden than anybody else.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:51

    Yes. So I’m looking at Bill’s Twitter right now. He hasn’t tweeted in almost twenty three hours. I don’t know why. I because I I do I also was having this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:00

    I and I’ve had felt this way about many people. I was like, what ezra I think what ezra Klein, will you tweet I would like to just know what you think about this, please. And, you know, I because in in a genuine way, because I think that Yes. That’s what I point
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:16

    you. I’m not
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:16

    As that replying was was making not. He he was he was sharing an anxiety with actually sort of an affirmative, Like, he’s he was trying to be like, here’s how, here’s what would happen if he stepped aside, and here’s how it would work at convention. And, so he was kinda doing the work to, to really layout how this would go. But I do feel, like, just like the twenty twenty two and look, I was not a fan of But just like the twenty twenty two elections basically went from, well, of course, Biden’s not gonna run for second term to, like, Oh, no. He probably is now.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:51

    This is sort of like, yeah, guys. Everybody I and I do think this is the other thing. Right? The drip drip drip of op eds, being like his poll numbers are too low. Everything’s bad.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:00

    You know, I I don’t think, like, I don’t think he’s gonna get a ten point bump out of this, but I do think things are gonna start to shift a little bit. And more than anything, it is going to silence. Like, nobody’s gonna write that up ed now for a while. Like, they’re just not
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:15

    don’t say that till you’ve read morning shots today.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:18

    I know. I can’t wait to read music.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:21

    I kid because I love. Okay. So
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:26

    And there’s a bulwark split over this. I think I’ve been
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:29

    perfectly restrained and gracious about all this. You agree?
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:35

    Yeah. I’m surprised you’re not wearing your shirt. Your JBL is always right here. So Wait. But can I actually say something on the rightness?
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:41

    I I swear to god, it was like Biden was listening to our podcast. Because let me just tell you. He would did two we have two main pieces of feedback, you and I. They’re different. Your is about hanging the lantern on the age, right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:54

    It’s about leaning into it, making jokes about it, not running away from it, not trying to pretend it’s not there. Boom. He did that last night. He did it. Mine is about offense.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:05

    Right? You gotta go on offense. You gotta the energy knife in your teeth. I’m in that that big evan Osnos, New Yorker thing, that he wrote profile of Biden. I’m in there talking about how Democrats have gotta you know, they need their own echo chamber.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:18

    They need to have a knife in their teeth. They gotta go on offense on messaging. And last night, man, Biden found the knife. He put it in his teeth and he went for it. And so I’m just convinced.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:27

    I think they listened out. No. I think they listened to us. I think they take our advice. I’m just kidding.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:31

    They don’t miss us.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:33

    Evan called Evan listens to you. Evan didn’t call me. Nobody ever asks me what I think about this. No. This is the funny thing, actually.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:43

    I am very sure that people within the White House pay attention to the port work.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:48

    Oh, yeah. Me too.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:49

    I you know, I you wouldn’t know it from reading the New York Times where everything is always terrible and they Did you catch, by the way? I’m sorry. I need to do ninety seconds on this. The, the New York Times explainer on who Mark Ron DeSantis.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:04

    No. Are you copy JBL?
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:09

    No. No. It, it was classic New York Times both sides of them. Like, you know, oh, it’s a fiery, fiery independent thinker. You know?
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:19

    It it is wild. How aggressively stupid that paper is being. And I am a big New York Times defender, and I love them. Okay. Back on the main track.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:34

    Okay. So let’s go up to the other big story, which I am surprised. Last night, we saw one of the worst manipulations and intrusions into American politics ever because Elise Defonic created a deep fake of Katie Brit and got every single network in America to use that instead of covering Katie Brit’s actual statement, is as her her Republican response. And the fact that this has gone until the average just bought it hook line and sinker is stunning to me. And, you know, it’s a dirty, dirty trick, and it’s a sign that we, AI is changing American politics in ways that we have not figured out yet.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:21

    That’s a good bit. I like it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:22

    Thank you. Holy crap. Dude, it is so good. Herself off the ticket last night. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:30

    So you know that do you know because you’re on the next level with me? That this has been my I have put
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:35

    Yes. I’m on the next level with you. We are on it together, Sarah Longwell
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:42

    I’m on it with you. This is just
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:44

    a normal thing to say. Knows called you and not me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:47

    Oh, yeah. I know your insecurity is the charts this morning. You’re having a good day. Just be in your good day. It’s okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:54

    It’s okay. TV media if you’re listening. JBL wants to talk to you. My god. Wait.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:01

    What was I about to say with? Oh, great. Oh, that that I I really thought. I’ve been like, this is my, I’ve been spreading this around, and to be fair, actually, somebody in my office floated this first, and like Don Draper I stole this idea and I’ve been running with it. Because as soon as I heard it, I was like, this is right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:19

    That’s what the money is for. Anyway. So, Anyway, so this idea though, Katie Brit is like central casting that she’s normie enough, but also sort of, client enough, which by the way, last night showed that she sure is client enough. She is willing to sacrifice all her dignity on the altar of being Trump’s VP. And and so but I really thought she had a a shot And I will never say that again.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:53

    It’s over. I mean, our IP her chances for being on the ticket because that was an implosion of credibility, like I’ve never seen. And part of it was that it was like your bit is dead on and that it felt like a parody. Like, you’re watching it and it starts, and you’re like, Wait, what is happening right now?
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:11

    This this feels wrong.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:12

    Is this real? Yeah. I put I have I have, like,
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:15

    six fingers. When she lifted the, you know, like the AI tel. Everything about it was so wrong. She I think the the general consensus was she’s like a drama kid, but a drama kid who is really bad at at acting.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:31

    Yeah. It’s like something you’d see on a TV show where the story they’re telling is about an overwrought drama girl.
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:39

    And it was but here’s what I what I think is real here’s what I think syncs her with Trump. Two things. Hey, again. It’s JBL. The conversation goes on from there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:49

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